In KC. Extra innings. 7-7
exciting WC game
mardi 30 septembre 2014
tc triumph
My dad just bought a new tc triumph topped with a leupold ultimate slam. What is best setup for his gun he would like to shoot out to 250. I told him to get some BH 209 and Barnes 250. I shoot BH 209 and 250 shock waves out of my omega shoots good but I would like to try Barnes .
tc triumph
speaking of algonac state park.....
actually many of the state parks. we enjoy taking our grand kids, well till they got too big for it, to the campgrounds for weekends in october for the "harvest festival" thing. everyone decorates their campers for trick or treating and the kids have a ball dressing up and running the roads getting goodies. the campgeound hosts generaly have some fun crafts and games for the kids and everyone is there for the fun with the kids , so there are generaly no grumpie geezers to spoil the fun.
if you haven't done this i highly recomend setting a weekend aside, finding a favorite park with this activity. and making a memory for the kids.:fish:
if you haven't done this i highly recomend setting a weekend aside, finding a favorite park with this activity. and making a memory for the kids.:fish:
speaking of algonac state park.....
X board sillouette decoys
I've been doing a lot of looking for sillouette diver decoys but haven't found much but homemade Y boards with scoters and sea ducks. I did however stumbled on a image of a vintage sillouette decoy board from the 1950s that sparked my interest.
And after seeing the sea duck Y board sillouettes I liked the old style better with 4 sillouettes spread out farther then the Y.
Also been reading about coroplast and knowing that I have goose sillouettes, I made a standard template for divers and got the shape I wanted to make my own coroplast sillouettes.
First made a rough stencil from foam board and shaped it to my specs.
Then transferred that outline to same thickness plywood.
Now traced that out on a sheet of coroplast ( old political sign ) and cut it out on the bandsaw, which I should be able to cut 4 to 8 at a time and have as many as I need for late season or next season.
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And after seeing the sea duck Y board sillouettes I liked the old style better with 4 sillouettes spread out farther then the Y.
Also been reading about coroplast and knowing that I have goose sillouettes, I made a standard template for divers and got the shape I wanted to make my own coroplast sillouettes.
First made a rough stencil from foam board and shaped it to my specs.
Then transferred that outline to same thickness plywood.
Now traced that out on a sheet of coroplast ( old political sign ) and cut it out on the bandsaw, which I should be able to cut 4 to 8 at a time and have as many as I need for late season or next season.
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X board sillouette decoys
lundi 29 septembre 2014
Personal Best Catfish
Started out perch fishing off the Shipping Channel, Monday 9/29/14. Began too late in the day but caught 5 keepers before they shut down. Tried to save the day by anchoring in the South Channel. Caught this channel catfish on cut bait (white perch). Took about 15 minutes to get it to the net. 35 inches, 23 pounds and 6 ounces. Measured, weighed, and photographed it before letting it go to live another day. :)
Personal Best Catfish
No bucks
I see lots of deer mainly does. Then peak rut happens and I see a lot of nice bucks. Why is it bucks don't seem to hang around I own an over grown pine tree property. I planted a food plot. Lots of cover but not one single buck picture on my plot.
No bucks
Tampa area fishing
Tampa bay and the causeway are producing some nice flounder, seatrout, snapper, and I've seen a bunch of reds just haven't hook up yet, and today I saw a 4ft snook. Good fishing and great eating!
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Be safe and happy fishing
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Be safe and happy fishing
Tampa area fishing
Question about using a sled?
I am thinking about using a sled (probably my daughters old snow sled) for pulling deer out of the woods. How do you guys use your sleds? Do you pull them in with you and hide them or leave them in your vehicle and get it after the shot? I will be hunting state land likely 300-500 yards from my vehicle.
Question about using a sled?
duck 7 geese dekes f/s
again I can't post in classifieds.
Geese are $80 for all
Ducks are Magnums $40 for all
Jim 248-863-7283
Geese are $80 for all
Ducks are Magnums $40 for all
Jim 248-863-7283
duck 7 geese dekes f/s
Fished manistee 9-27-14
Fished lake michigan saturday morning strait out of the river to the leadge 225 fow trolling 25-to 35 feet down wonder bread and flounder pounder color moonshine spoons went 2-3 in the morning bit stopped about 8:00 am one king and a steelhead. Alot of salmon in the river.But it was hard fishing in the the river bit seemed to be morning and evening from every one we talked with from guides to regular people fishing we got in to two kings in the evening on the river.
Fished manistee 9-27-14
Free 10 inch Bondy Bait Sticker!!!
We just got a fresh batch of Bondy Baits including the new color. Halloween, Barney, and Root Canal. Along with a restock on the St. Clair Grub, heads etc etc. Jon threw in a bunch of decals to give guys who purchase any of his baits. (While Supplies last guys)
Free 10 inch Bondy Bait Sticker!!!
Started beagle to good home
Almost 2yr old beagle runs rabbits 100$ Saginaw mi
Started beagle to good home
Seed corn fields
Due to the huge amount of seed corn now, many fields have very little stubble and hiding layout blinds is a problem. Short of digging a pit, what methods have worked well for you? Considering an actual blind of corn or straw, thinking it may look more natural, like a small patch of unpicked corn than four or more separate blobs in the field. Opinions?
Seed corn fields
dimanche 28 septembre 2014
Manistee
Manistee fishing is decent, went 3 for around 7 tonight getting a late start, 40-80 down in 200-300 fow
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Manistee
Anyone looking to trade a 60# for a 70#
Anyone looking to trade a 70# bow for a 60# bow I'm wanting to upgrade but had a baby recently and the funds just aren't there anybody have anything this is what I have for trade and also a hang on stand with 20' of sticks 
Anyone looking to trade a 60# for a 70#
Northern mi opener next week
I'm going to be up at my cabin next weekend just out side of st. Helens. I'm not looking for anyone's honey hole or anything but was wondering if guys that know the area could point me in the right direction of some lakes up thier open to hunting or have any maps of some state land I could check out I know I'm probably not going to get a lot of response ' s to thing but figured it's wroth a shot
Northern mi opener next week
Mid Perch 9/28
My guess would be that we caught at least 100 Perch today as we were tossing back 5 to every one we put in the box.....not a good ratio imo.....3 guys in 4 hrs, and 4 doz minnows.... keepers were all 8 1/2" to 11" and only 21 of em....got most early but caught fish in all of the 3 spots we tried....5' and 6' of water and could see bottom.....every time they shut down somebody would get a Smallmouth and we got 7 of those.....also picked up 2 Rockbass and @ an 6 lb Catfish.....WT hit 65 on graph and the weather was perfect !!.....one Monarch and fair # of Geese, getting shot at of course :)....we were off the water before noon......enjoy the water all.....
Mid Perch 9/28
washing your hunting clothes
Ideally I'd have a dedicated washing machine for my hunting clothing, but I don't so was wondering what others do to be scent free. Hand wash and wring out as best you can and line dry? Any tricks to de-scent the everyday washer? I've tried to clean ours but the fabric softener the wife insists she needs is like wax and I can't feel confident that I've de-scented it.
washing your hunting clothes
Perch LSC
Ended up with <40 in the pack of boats straight out from the GPYP 17 FOW 66 degrees. Slips with red beads then green only after noon. Hot and heavy first thing in the morning then you would move and find a week bed that produced 4 or so.
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Perch LSC
Good minnows
Stopped by "kings" party store in Bay City yesterday, and they have lots of fresh emeralds, walleye and perch minnows. Getting mine there this morning. They're open 24/7 and $1.99 a dozen. Just thought I'd throw this up since last year they only had walleye minnows. Good luck to all the perchers today.:)
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Good minnows
samedi 27 septembre 2014
Sturgeon Fishing Outing 9/27
Went out with Treeman for the St. Clair-Detroit River Sturgeon for Tomorrow outing. Jim took both myself and my grandson for our first Sturgeon trip. My grandson was able to bring in a 38 1/2" Sturgeon. First one ever and although it wasn't big by Jim's standards, it was just right for his first one. Thank you very much for getting us out there and putting us on some fish.
Sturgeon Fishing Outing 9/27
Two Bear down on video
I was fortunate to take my first bear with a bow this year on the 15th. My dad also took his first bear ever on the same evening.
Two Bear down on video
Pushing The CTS 13'6" #4-8
In my dreams I fish in BC. Not sure what the heck they feed the Steel up there. Lol. Some of those boys are just huge! Hopefully, one day...
So what's the biggest fish you've ever caught on this blank?
Steel, King, whatever.
So what's the biggest fish you've ever caught on this blank?
Steel, King, whatever.
Pushing The CTS 13'6" #4-8
Raven Matrix XL
Just posted my 5" Raven Matrix XL in classifieds if anyone is looking for a great reel with a couple extras thrown in.
Raven Matrix XL
West Michigan fish taxidermist
Any recommendations for a taxidermist near grand rapids?
Thanks.
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West Michigan fish taxidermist
Lowes has 50% off trees again
The Chesterfield Lowes had all of their trees half off. Apple, pear, crabs, peaches and plums...oh and some oaks too. I grabbed 3 more SD gala, red and yellow delicious. Gotta find room for em now lol. Gonna have to hinge and clear more trees to add more apple trees.
Lowes has 50% off trees again
Shaggy Mane mushroom?
Is this a shaggy mane? Is it edible? I found what looks like it on a site and says edible with caution, I think for identification reasons. Also in the button stage. Anyone know? Don't think I would risk it anyway but just curious.
Shaggy Mane mushroom?
Resisting saying the word "War"
http://ift.tt/1rscHSV
Did they really believe by not saying the word "War", their Con-stitch-ancy ('Pappy O' Daniel, Charles Durning, Oh Brother)
Wouldn't be able to figure it out? Do they think they are that unaware? (wanted to say stupid or worse). Oh, that's right. 40% think everything is just fine!
What an assortment of Buffoons! It was hilarious to watch them squirm when asked if we were "at War".:eek:
Does the Nobel Peace Prize panel ever revoke, repeal, rescind, take back, for all you people in Rio Linda, the Peace Prize?:confused:
Why do they keep saying ISIL and everyone else says ISIS?
Oldun
Did they really believe by not saying the word "War", their Con-stitch-ancy ('Pappy O' Daniel, Charles Durning, Oh Brother)
Wouldn't be able to figure it out? Do they think they are that unaware? (wanted to say stupid or worse). Oh, that's right. 40% think everything is just fine!
What an assortment of Buffoons! It was hilarious to watch them squirm when asked if we were "at War".:eek:
Does the Nobel Peace Prize panel ever revoke, repeal, rescind, take back, for all you people in Rio Linda, the Peace Prize?:confused:
Why do they keep saying ISIL and everyone else says ISIS?
Oldun
Resisting saying the word "War"
where to buy birds for traning near Ann Arbor?
Does anyone know of a place reasonably close to Ann Arbor for dog training birds?
where to buy birds for traning near Ann Arbor?
vendredi 26 septembre 2014
Pink arrows
In need of some new arrows and found some pink ones. After laughing for a while at the thought of myself heading into the woods with pink arrows I got thinking. There is nothing in the woods that is pink. I struggle to decide what color fletching to go with. But there are red leaves orange leaves white snow bright green stuff. I've never seen pink. I can pick out pink surveyors tape in the woods in a heartbeat for that reason.
Imagine I'll take quite a ribbing but seriously considering it. Anyone else want to fess up?
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Imagine I'll take quite a ribbing but seriously considering it. Anyone else want to fess up?
Sent from big thumbs on a tiny keyboard.
Pink arrows
Kayaks on the grand in gr?
Just curious if anyone sees any out there or if you know if that would work out? My waders have leaks and I got a angler kayak this year and would like to try backtrolling plugs anchored above holes. Im sure it'll work and I'll eventually try that. Maybe not right around the dam because id just be in the way but is there any good access to slower waters suitable for me to give the grand a try in the kayak?? May be going this wknd so please any info, input wound be greatly appreciated
Kayaks on the grand in gr?
Hunting ethics
Last weekend me and two buddies went out for woodcock. we got to our spot which I have come to realize is not a big secret . We just started into our cover which was a narrow strip about 400 yards long paralleling a 2 track about 5 min into it, 4 guys parked off the 2 track were we cut in and proceeded to hunt the other Side from us with their dog cutting in our strip putting up birds ahead of my dog . I was not very happy with this. my dog was running a beeper so I know that they knew we were in the cover not to mention we could see them . They ran the other side from us for about 300 yards then moved away from us . My question is do you think this was acceptable or do you think they should have moved on ? And would you have confronted them ?
Hunting ethics
cabelas coupon
I am getting ready to buy some gear and was wondering if anybody had a cabelas coupon to share.
Thanks
Thanks
cabelas coupon
PSE MOSSY OAK X bow from my local shop...
I bought a PSE MOSSY OAK X bow from my local shop...
Well i joined the PSE Gang.
I just happen to stop in and what do you know....BAM...there it was.
Had to have it...lol
Dual Cam, good shape $139...i stole it....lmao.
I gave them my $50 gift card and paid the rest in cash.
I'm really pumped up...what a great looking bow.
Can't wait to get it setup.
Not entirely sure of the specs, but it will do the trick.
*need to sell my parker premier mag now. If i can get $100 approx for it...then i would be pretty happy.
PSE MOSSY OAK X bow from my local shop...
Oscoda 9-26 am
Hauled my 14' boat up from SW Michigan for some fishing this weekend. I trolled for 3 hours in front of the Ausable River mouth. I had the place all to myself but never even had a hit. Only one other boat at the launch and he went to deep water. Only one person on the South pier until late morning. Saw a couple of fish surface but that was it. Pretty slow right now and this weather cannot be helping.
Oscoda 9-26 am
draw length vs ke and speed loss????
Had a new string put on my bow and with a new release and whatever else i ended up having to shorten my draw length by 1/2 inch. Shooting 72lbs and 29" arrow.
So now im wondering does anyone know how much speed and kinetic energy is lost by each 1/2 shorter you go in draw length?
So now im wondering does anyone know how much speed and kinetic energy is lost by each 1/2 shorter you go in draw length?
draw length vs ke and speed loss????
jeudi 25 septembre 2014
Craws in the flint river system
Hey all im pretty new to the forums and you guys seem like a great bunch with a lot of knowledge. never even knew about cray trapping but is definitely something i think i can get in to. I know its late in the season but i am grabbing a couple traps tomorrow and figure i can get a few runs in still so i have some experience next year. My question is after reading about how pollutant sensitive craws are, would i be wasting my time in the flint in areas between the holloway dam and say downtown flint? Anyone trap in the river or mott lake? I fish those areas a lot and haven't noticed craw remains but haven't been looking either. Any tips would be great, not looking for your honey hole, just some general area(s) to start..Thanks...
Craws in the flint river system
Team #1 whitetail militia
ok guys here is our official team thread. good luck out their
Team #1 whitetail militia
Hot ponds
A friend wants to do some catfishing this weekend. Thinking of the hot ponds. An idea if they are they year round and how about the weeds?
Hot ponds
I need some advice on fishing with egg sacks and skein
I've tried float, bottom, drifting, and drifting with spin n glows and never had any luck. I'm not asking for any secret spots, just some tips on rigging and fishing this bait. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
I need some advice on fishing with egg sacks and skein
Ducks, Geese and a couple Owl Mounts
Here is the latest bunch of pics. Got the opportunity to do a couple owls for the DNR. My first two ever. Were very fun to work on. also included is a good pic of that hoody/woody Cross. Season Starts soon so good luck to all headed out and as always give me a shout if any questions on anything.
Ducks, Geese and a couple Owl Mounts
Drift Boat
I am looking for an aluminum or fiberglass drift boat in case you are thinking of selling yours. Please reply to this ad. - See More Here: http://ift.tt/1v3OS4V
Drift Boat
Team #21- seven bucks and a doe
Okay team 21 now were legit and can't get yelled at lol. 6 days away let the fun begin.
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Team #21- seven bucks and a doe
No Drones for hunting
http://ift.tt/ZQ682c
Not sure what to think about this.
You are allowed to use scouting cameras, is it that big of a difference?
Not sure what to think about this.
You are allowed to use scouting cameras, is it that big of a difference?
No Drones for hunting
mercredi 24 septembre 2014
And it has begun!
Pulled out the ice rods, decided I wanted to order another custom rod for hole hopping this winter, an hour later and there's a 36" perch sweetheart on its way.
So What's everyone planning on getting for the upcoming season
So What's everyone planning on getting for the upcoming season
And it has begun!
Looking for hounds in gladwin unit to hunt Sat.
Looking for guide/someone with hounds to hunt Gladwin Unit this Saturday Sept. 27th. Please PM if interested.
Looking for hounds in gladwin unit to hunt Sat.
Verlander
Man im hoping for another solid start from JV. How important would it be to see him find even some of his old groove again.
Plus, going against Sale is just gonna be a tough day plating runs. Lets hope Sales "off".
Plus, going against Sale is just gonna be a tough day plating runs. Lets hope Sales "off".
Verlander
Starting to color U.P.
The U.P. is starting to color up. Both leaves and brookies looking fantastic. It's been a couple of years since I made a U.P. fall run. Weather was fall perfect. Bugs at a minimum to non-existing. Little chilly which made the camp fire and Hot hot dogs perfect.
I brought this up a couple of years ago. You'll notice from the brookies in the pictures that there is a couple of odd ball trout for the area. While still fun to catch, I wish they didn't exist in this river. Still wondering how they got there. I lost a third odd ball (rainbow) at the net that was pushing 15 inches.
All in all a great trip and looking forward to many more.
I my way home I hit a new spot that I knew nothing about. Beautiful river in spots. Managed a nice brown trout and little brookie. Sorry no pictures of the fish. But I did take a picture of the river. Anyone know this spot? Looked kinda popular by the road leading to it and the camping spot.
Thanks for having me.
I brought this up a couple of years ago. You'll notice from the brookies in the pictures that there is a couple of odd ball trout for the area. While still fun to catch, I wish they didn't exist in this river. Still wondering how they got there. I lost a third odd ball (rainbow) at the net that was pushing 15 inches.
All in all a great trip and looking forward to many more.
I my way home I hit a new spot that I knew nothing about. Beautiful river in spots. Managed a nice brown trout and little brookie. Sorry no pictures of the fish. But I did take a picture of the river. Anyone know this spot? Looked kinda popular by the road leading to it and the camping spot.
Thanks for having me.
Starting to color U.P.
Muskegon river open seats 2014
After a stellar season last year, I'm eager to get things rollin' on the Mo as soon as possible. This time last season I started a thread to share my open seats for pluggin' and was glad to see how many people that were willing to fish with a total stranger. Every outing was enjoyable and relaxing to say the least, some more productive than others, some were just good days on the water with a fish or two for our efforts. I hope that I see old faces again this season and plenty more new ones as well. For anyone who wanted to go and didn't get the chance, I hope we can get time and make a trip. We'll be running the same program as last year but, with a lot more equipment and way more plugs than one guy needs, thanks to some side work from a fellow member. We run plugs almost exclusively, not because it's the most productive but, because it's the best chance you have at connecting with a trophy fish. Last season our average fish was 12 lbs and we boated 3 master anglers and one that got away after the split ring straighten out. We'll be fishing from a 16' drift boat that fishes two up front and a rower. Between plug runs there will be rods in the boat to toss spinners for steelhead and salmon. We do use some bait but, not in the conventional fashion. If anybody is interested in a trip but, needs to plan one I can make plans way in the future. Hopefully it's a great season of bruises busting tackle and testing equipment.
There are open seats starting Saturday morning for salmon, fingers crossed. Trip starts very early and runs till around 1. Riders will be needed to help spot vehicles one above and one below. Bring your own snacks, drinks and comforts. I've got space for spare rods if you wanna bring one along. Make sure you prepare for whatever the weather may do, we're in a drift boat and are subject to the pace of the river. It's a first come first serve basis, first pm in gets it. Thanks guys.
There are open seats starting Saturday morning for salmon, fingers crossed. Trip starts very early and runs till around 1. Riders will be needed to help spot vehicles one above and one below. Bring your own snacks, drinks and comforts. I've got space for spare rods if you wanna bring one along. Make sure you prepare for whatever the weather may do, we're in a drift boat and are subject to the pace of the river. It's a first come first serve basis, first pm in gets it. Thanks guys.
Muskegon river open seats 2014
Salmon on the white river
Coming up in oct to fish the white river.first time fishing for salmon on a river,any update on if they have started up yet or any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Salmon on the white river
mardi 23 septembre 2014
Preliminary exam for Beaverton man accused of robbing Amish set for Sept. 25
Preliminary exam for Beaverton man accused of robbing Amish set for Sept. 25
Contact: <a href="http://ift.tt/1qIcneK 24805c0&u=mailto%3Agutierrezl%40michigan.gov">Lt. Glenn Gutierrez, 989-275-5151, ext. 7100 or Ed Golder, 517-284-5815
Agency: Natural ResourcesSept. 23, 2014
The Department of Natural Resources today announced that the preliminary exam for a Beaverton, Michigan, man who is accused of robbing an Amish buggy at gunpoint in Clare County has been set for Thursday, Sept. 25, in Clare County's 80th District Court.
Doyle Robert Dell, 20, of Beaverton, was arrested for armed robbery and is currently lodged in the Clare County Jail awaiting trial.
Dell allegedly robbed an Amish buggy at gunpoint in May in Sheridan Township. According to law enforcement reports, Dell allegedly stopped the buggy while brandishing a firearm and demanded money from the family in the buggy.
Local law enforcement authorities unsuccessfully sought information and tips in the case in May. In August, an informant came forward with information about the case and was willing to talk only to Department of Natural Resources conservation officer Steve Lockwood. Lockwood shared the information with the Gladwin and Clare county sheriff's departments and assisted on the execution of a search warrant, the arrest and interviews with the suspect. The firearm allegedly used in the incident was confiscated.
"Officer Lockwood's connections with the Clare County community helped make this arrest," said Lt. Glenn Gutierrez, DNR Law Enforcement supervisor in Roscommon. "Additionally, the public trust in Officer Lockwood proved key to solving this crime."
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The Michigan Department of Natural Resources is committed to the conservation, protection, management, use and enjoyment of the state's natural and cultural resources for current and future generations. For more information, go to www.michigan.gov/dnr.
More...
Contact: <a href="http://ift.tt/1qIcneK 24805c0&u=mailto%3Agutierrezl%40michigan.gov">Lt. Glenn Gutierrez, 989-275-5151, ext. 7100 or Ed Golder, 517-284-5815
Agency: Natural ResourcesSept. 23, 2014
The Department of Natural Resources today announced that the preliminary exam for a Beaverton, Michigan, man who is accused of robbing an Amish buggy at gunpoint in Clare County has been set for Thursday, Sept. 25, in Clare County's 80th District Court.
Doyle Robert Dell, 20, of Beaverton, was arrested for armed robbery and is currently lodged in the Clare County Jail awaiting trial.
Dell allegedly robbed an Amish buggy at gunpoint in May in Sheridan Township. According to law enforcement reports, Dell allegedly stopped the buggy while brandishing a firearm and demanded money from the family in the buggy.
Local law enforcement authorities unsuccessfully sought information and tips in the case in May. In August, an informant came forward with information about the case and was willing to talk only to Department of Natural Resources conservation officer Steve Lockwood. Lockwood shared the information with the Gladwin and Clare county sheriff's departments and assisted on the execution of a search warrant, the arrest and interviews with the suspect. The firearm allegedly used in the incident was confiscated.
"Officer Lockwood's connections with the Clare County community helped make this arrest," said Lt. Glenn Gutierrez, DNR Law Enforcement supervisor in Roscommon. "Additionally, the public trust in Officer Lockwood proved key to solving this crime."
For more information on DNR conservation officers, go to http://ift.tt/1hZw1y9.
The Michigan Department of Natural Resources is committed to the conservation, protection, management, use and enjoyment of the state's natural and cultural resources for current and future generations. For more information, go to www.michigan.gov/dnr.
More...
Preliminary exam for Beaverton man accused of robbing Amish set for Sept. 25
Perch or walleye Friday?
I'm off Friday and I am itching to fish. I haven't heard any great reports for either perch or walleye. Can anyone point me in the right direction for what species and method to target? I need to stay in Michigan waters.
Thanks
Mark
Thanks
Mark
Perch or walleye Friday?
Caulk-Latex vs Silicon
What are the pros and cons of each, and where would you use one instead of the other?
We have a window (fogged glass) in the shower in our bathroom and the caulk is cracking, and I need to fix that pronto. Should I use Latex or Silicon caulk?
Thanks
We have a window (fogged glass) in the shower in our bathroom and the caulk is cracking, and I need to fix that pronto. Should I use Latex or Silicon caulk?
Thanks
Caulk-Latex vs Silicon
I need skein?
Im heading up this weekend for my first ever river salmon trip. Im having a tough time getting my hands on some skein. If anybody know where i can buy some please let me know. Or im willing to trade some venison for some if anybody is interested in that. Im in the lansing area.
I need skein?
9/22 P.M. walleye report.
Launched out of Patterson Rd around 4:00. Started east of the shipping channel in about 14 - 16 fow. Crawler harnesses with 1.5 oz bb, averaging about 1.5 mph....
No action, so we headed North until we found a spot that started about 20 fow, and ended up around 15 fow by trolling West. One big sheepshead is all we got...No walleye.
We could only fish for about 2.5 hours....we will just have to give em heck next time
No action, so we headed North until we found a spot that started about 20 fow, and ended up around 15 fow by trolling West. One big sheepshead is all we got...No walleye.
We could only fish for about 2.5 hours....we will just have to give em heck next time
9/22 P.M. walleye report.
URGENT: Call your Representative this morning!
MICHIGAN DOG OWNERS: Please contact your Representative this morning and urge them to oppose HB 5095. Find your Representative here: http://ift.tt/1x6X07a
UKC commends the idea and intent behind House Bill 5095, which seeks to amend the current law regulating pet shops and animal shelters, but has some serious concerns as well. The bill also encompasses “large-scale dog breeding kennels” and defines them as kennels “where more than 15 female intact dogs over the age of 4 months are housed or kept for the primary purpose of breeding.” While the word “primary” has been added at UKC’s request, it is not a sufficient exception for breeders of working, show, hunting, and performance dogs. UKC believes that the health and well-being of dogs are of the utmost importance, and are significant concerns. However, UKC believes that breeders who are active with their dogs ARE the responsible breeders and ostensibly not the target of this legislation. “Large-scale dog breeders” should already be licensed and regulated by the USDA. Enforcement of HB 5095 will be burdensome and costly to the Michigan Department of Agriculture and Rural Development, and does not carry nearly the weight that current cruelty and neglect laws do. HB 5095 is simply unnecessary, and as UKC's reasonable amendments were not added to the bill, we cannot support HB 5095 in its current form.
UKC commends the idea and intent behind House Bill 5095, which seeks to amend the current law regulating pet shops and animal shelters, but has some serious concerns as well. The bill also encompasses “large-scale dog breeding kennels” and defines them as kennels “where more than 15 female intact dogs over the age of 4 months are housed or kept for the primary purpose of breeding.” While the word “primary” has been added at UKC’s request, it is not a sufficient exception for breeders of working, show, hunting, and performance dogs. UKC believes that the health and well-being of dogs are of the utmost importance, and are significant concerns. However, UKC believes that breeders who are active with their dogs ARE the responsible breeders and ostensibly not the target of this legislation. “Large-scale dog breeders” should already be licensed and regulated by the USDA. Enforcement of HB 5095 will be burdensome and costly to the Michigan Department of Agriculture and Rural Development, and does not carry nearly the weight that current cruelty and neglect laws do. HB 5095 is simply unnecessary, and as UKC's reasonable amendments were not added to the bill, we cannot support HB 5095 in its current form.
URGENT: Call your Representative this morning!
Musky! September help
I have not had a chance to hit St Clair all summer. Looks like it will happen Saturday. I'm excited. I plan on running across to the south shore, Hump etc. Anyone been out lately? Any tips? Fow? Speed? Wash? Down? Boards? Big vs small? Jointed vs straight?
I'll likely run a couple of board rods and a couple prop wash rods. Tend towards larger straight lures. Supposed to be sunny n warm so will run lighter colors first. Probably hold speed down to 3-4 first I guess.
Any thoughts would be appreciated. Here or pm.
Thanks,
Dave
I'll likely run a couple of board rods and a couple prop wash rods. Tend towards larger straight lures. Supposed to be sunny n warm so will run lighter colors first. Probably hold speed down to 3-4 first I guess.
Any thoughts would be appreciated. Here or pm.
Thanks,
Dave
Musky! September help
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So snagging with a fly on TV is OK?
2 out of the 3 fish landed in the first segment were obviously snagged (just look at the line angle when they jump). And the "guide" has the audacity to call other anglers "snaggers"? This should have never made the show. If MUCC wants people to film catching salmon legit, there are plenty of people out there that they can film. This was sad, really sad...
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So snagging with a fly on TV is OK?
Sighting in a rifle - lots of ammo?
Hello all,
I bought my first new centerfire rifle today, a Tikka T3 stainless/composite LH in .30-06. It has a Zeiss Terra T3 4x-12x on it.
It was bore scoped by Cabela's. After 15 rounds today at the range, and not getting the sight-in job done, I am wondering how many rounds people usually take to do this with a green rifle and scope.
This is a great article, and it confirms my experience: http://ift.tt/XQt6oj
I was shooting a smallish paper target 30 yards away. I got some shots on paper, and was starting to group, then shots started not hitting the paper. I think the barrel started getting warm, which the article suggests causes problems sighting in.
Left/right seemed OK after Cabela's bore scope operation. Elevation was way high (feet, it seemed) at 30 yards. Over a few rounds fired, I turned the elevation knob (gradually, between rounds) over two revolutions. I think I am still high.
Does this seem similar to anyone's experience? Thanks for any input.
I bought my first new centerfire rifle today, a Tikka T3 stainless/composite LH in .30-06. It has a Zeiss Terra T3 4x-12x on it.
It was bore scoped by Cabela's. After 15 rounds today at the range, and not getting the sight-in job done, I am wondering how many rounds people usually take to do this with a green rifle and scope.
This is a great article, and it confirms my experience: http://ift.tt/XQt6oj
I was shooting a smallish paper target 30 yards away. I got some shots on paper, and was starting to group, then shots started not hitting the paper. I think the barrel started getting warm, which the article suggests causes problems sighting in.
Left/right seemed OK after Cabela's bore scope operation. Elevation was way high (feet, it seemed) at 30 yards. Over a few rounds fired, I turned the elevation knob (gradually, between rounds) over two revolutions. I think I am still high.
Does this seem similar to anyone's experience? Thanks for any input.
Sighting in a rifle - lots of ammo?
Team #19-Bucked Up
Here we go guys lets get this going. I hunted last nite and seen 11, they were just pushing the slug gun range alil.
Team #19-Bucked Up
Crimp or not
How many of you crimp your rifle rounds? If so did/does it help with flyers? This is pertaining a .300 win mag. I'm not looking for 1/4 inch moa from it, but at least keep it at or under 1.5 inches at 100 yards.
Crimp or not
Our 2014 Red Oak Kill Season
Two down so far, a few more to go.
411 Pounds
203 Pounds
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203 Pounds
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Our 2014 Red Oak Kill Season
.50 cal bore sized projectile jammed in TC Triumph
Looking for some suggestions as to how to remove a .50 cal bore sized projectile from my Thompson Triumph muzzleloader. Below are some details.
I just finished a week long elk hunt in Colorado, using my muzzleloader. CO disallows the use of sabots, pelletized powder, and optics, so I had to re-sight the smoke stick in with open sights and a bore sized projectile. I started off trying out the Hornady FTPs, since the Powerbelts I used last CO elk hunt, while accurate and put down an elk, did not expand properly and did not leave a blood trail. Problem was, the Hornady FTPs were hard to load into my barrel and were all over the place (sometimes not even on paper). That led me to try out Thor bullets. He's out of Montana, and sends you a sample sizing pack of four different sized .50 cal projectiles (in sizes .500, .501, .502 and .503). I measured up and found the right size, and ordered a 50 pack, and they fit perfectly and shot a 2.5" group. Great bullets. I shot a bull at 100 yards last week, double lung through shot, and he went about 10 yards and dropped like a ton of bricks. I reloaded my muzzleloader in case I approached the bull and needed a second shot, but never needed to do that, but when I went to remove my breach plug (and drained the powder) and pop out the projectile, it was stuck in there.
In hindsight, I wish I would have just shot the bullet out, but I knew I am supposed to be able to remove the powder and projectile on my TC Triumph, so I did that, and now I have the projectile stuck in there. I going to try spraying some PB Blaster in there tonight, but I'd really appreciate any suggestions anybody else has.
Thanks in advance.
Josh
I just finished a week long elk hunt in Colorado, using my muzzleloader. CO disallows the use of sabots, pelletized powder, and optics, so I had to re-sight the smoke stick in with open sights and a bore sized projectile. I started off trying out the Hornady FTPs, since the Powerbelts I used last CO elk hunt, while accurate and put down an elk, did not expand properly and did not leave a blood trail. Problem was, the Hornady FTPs were hard to load into my barrel and were all over the place (sometimes not even on paper). That led me to try out Thor bullets. He's out of Montana, and sends you a sample sizing pack of four different sized .50 cal projectiles (in sizes .500, .501, .502 and .503). I measured up and found the right size, and ordered a 50 pack, and they fit perfectly and shot a 2.5" group. Great bullets. I shot a bull at 100 yards last week, double lung through shot, and he went about 10 yards and dropped like a ton of bricks. I reloaded my muzzleloader in case I approached the bull and needed a second shot, but never needed to do that, but when I went to remove my breach plug (and drained the powder) and pop out the projectile, it was stuck in there.
In hindsight, I wish I would have just shot the bullet out, but I knew I am supposed to be able to remove the powder and projectile on my TC Triumph, so I did that, and now I have the projectile stuck in there. I going to try spraying some PB Blaster in there tonight, but I'd really appreciate any suggestions anybody else has.
Thanks in advance.
Josh
.50 cal bore sized projectile jammed in TC Triumph
22 long rifle ammo
Could someone explain to me why there is no 22 long rifle ammunition on the shelf of these retailers. I keep hearing that it is being horded by the consumer but that just doesn't make sense to me. I have not found any on the shelf in 6 years maybe longer. What happened to supply and demand, the price should go up if there is demand and a shortage of supply this would stop the hording by the consumer if that were the case.
This is the same for reloading supplies there is none on the shelf specifically brass.:sad:
Thank You
aphess223
This is the same for reloading supplies there is none on the shelf specifically brass.:sad:
Thank You
aphess223
22 long rifle ammo
RiversWild Retrievers Litters
DUE DATE: OCTOBER 29, 2014
BLACK AND CHOCOLATE PUPPIES EXPECTED
Torg's 20 Below "Chilly"
D.O.B: April 21, 2011
OFA HIPS: GOOD
ELBOWS: NORMAL
EIC/CNM: Clear(by parentage)
CHILLY is a product of some of the best chocolate field dogs available today. She is a smaller dog, quiet and affectionate with a ton of desire.
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4XGMPR HRCH HRKS ROOSTER SMASHER QAA, MH "ROOSTER"
Whelp Date: 6/9/2007
OFA Hips: LR-182016G24M-VPI
Eye CERF: LR-54718
OFA Elbow: LR-EL43710M24-VPI
CNM: VetGen 60860 clear
EIC: LR-EIC-1726/16M normal
UKC Reg: R201-290-D
UKC Points: 295
AKC reg: SR42867101
CKC: 1121877
Coat Genotype: Yellow - Hidden Chocolate - eebb
Rooster is one of the most accomplished labs in the United States. He has passed the UKC Grand once in 2012 and will be running again this year in Union City, Tennessee.
This will be the third breeding between these two amazing dogs. Rooster throws pups with a very traditional look with an intelligent easy going disposition.
Pedigrees on my website: http://ift.tt/1qZMOLi - See More Here: http://ift.tt/1v8hmsk
BLACK AND CHOCOLATE PUPPIES EXPECTED
Torg's 20 Below "Chilly"
D.O.B: April 21, 2011
OFA HIPS: GOOD
ELBOWS: NORMAL
EIC/CNM: Clear(by parentage)
CHILLY is a product of some of the best chocolate field dogs available today. She is a smaller dog, quiet and affectionate with a ton of desire.
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4XGMPR HRCH HRKS ROOSTER SMASHER QAA, MH "ROOSTER"
Whelp Date: 6/9/2007
OFA Hips: LR-182016G24M-VPI
Eye CERF: LR-54718
OFA Elbow: LR-EL43710M24-VPI
CNM: VetGen 60860 clear
EIC: LR-EIC-1726/16M normal
UKC Reg: R201-290-D
UKC Points: 295
AKC reg: SR42867101
CKC: 1121877
Coat Genotype: Yellow - Hidden Chocolate - eebb
Rooster is one of the most accomplished labs in the United States. He has passed the UKC Grand once in 2012 and will be running again this year in Union City, Tennessee.
This will be the third breeding between these two amazing dogs. Rooster throws pups with a very traditional look with an intelligent easy going disposition.
Pedigrees on my website: http://ift.tt/1qZMOLi - See More Here: http://ift.tt/1v8hmsk
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Early Antlerless
Did any of you ladies hit the woods over the weekend? Anyone have any luck? I was not able to get out hoping someone had a good time.
Early Antlerless
dimanche 21 septembre 2014
Montana Anyone
I might be heading to Montana pretty soon and I have room for at least one other guy and a dog. Bird numbers look pretty good this year. I was there in June and it looked like it could be the best year for birds in about 6+ years and local reports are all positive.
Right now the season is open for Sharptail Grouse, Hungarian Partridge, and Sage Grouse. Pheasant season doesn't open until the end of the second week in October. Not sure if I will stay that long but with another guy my schedule would be more open.
It should be a fairly inexpensive trip. The biggest expenses are typically gas and licenses. The reservation license is around $140 and there are plenty of birds to justify staying on the reservation which is huge. An additional State license is around $140 but isn't needed unless hunting off the reservation. I lived out there for four years and hunted nearly every day each hunting season I know the area and where the birds usually are. Also have some locals to hunt with and will probably meet up with another MS'er who is going to be camping nearby. Plan to hunt on and around the Fort Peck Indian Reservation in Northeast Montana.
The plan is to set-up a big tipi next to a small river and use that as a base camp. For the majority of food I'd have some local friends shoot a deer for me for camp meat and catch a few walleye if they are in the area this time of year. The town is only 15 miles away and has food, bars, and the periodic shower at a friends house.
It would be pretty nice if I could find someone to help with the gas and expenses. My schedule is pretty open so it doesn't matter if I stay a week or two weeks if I go. If things work out I would have to leave sometime in the next two weeks. I plan to bring one of my own dogs and transport a GSP from Michigan to a friend in Montana to give an idea of how much space is available. Plan to drive a 2002 Chevy Avalanche to give an idea of the space available. The tipi and some other gear is already in Montana.
Could be a pretty darn good fit for someone who has always wanted to go or someone pretty new to the hunting game who wants to learn some things and get experience. I won't try to bribe anyone by posting pictures of the area but quite a few Michigan Sportsman guys have hunted with me in Montana so there should be easy to find pictures. Let me know if it sounds appealing and we'll see if schedules match up.
Right now the season is open for Sharptail Grouse, Hungarian Partridge, and Sage Grouse. Pheasant season doesn't open until the end of the second week in October. Not sure if I will stay that long but with another guy my schedule would be more open.
It should be a fairly inexpensive trip. The biggest expenses are typically gas and licenses. The reservation license is around $140 and there are plenty of birds to justify staying on the reservation which is huge. An additional State license is around $140 but isn't needed unless hunting off the reservation. I lived out there for four years and hunted nearly every day each hunting season I know the area and where the birds usually are. Also have some locals to hunt with and will probably meet up with another MS'er who is going to be camping nearby. Plan to hunt on and around the Fort Peck Indian Reservation in Northeast Montana.
The plan is to set-up a big tipi next to a small river and use that as a base camp. For the majority of food I'd have some local friends shoot a deer for me for camp meat and catch a few walleye if they are in the area this time of year. The town is only 15 miles away and has food, bars, and the periodic shower at a friends house.
It would be pretty nice if I could find someone to help with the gas and expenses. My schedule is pretty open so it doesn't matter if I stay a week or two weeks if I go. If things work out I would have to leave sometime in the next two weeks. I plan to bring one of my own dogs and transport a GSP from Michigan to a friend in Montana to give an idea of how much space is available. Plan to drive a 2002 Chevy Avalanche to give an idea of the space available. The tipi and some other gear is already in Montana.
Could be a pretty darn good fit for someone who has always wanted to go or someone pretty new to the hunting game who wants to learn some things and get experience. I won't try to bribe anyone by posting pictures of the area but quite a few Michigan Sportsman guys have hunted with me in Montana so there should be easy to find pictures. Let me know if it sounds appealing and we'll see if schedules match up.
Montana Anyone
17.55 acres for sale Belding, Mi
17.55 acres for sale in Belding, Mi. Directions:4 (Belding Rd) E of Belding to Chickering Rd. S to property on E side of the road. Description:Nearly 18 Acres of woods located just E of Belding and less than a mile S. of M44. Property is extremely secluded and would make the perfect hunting and recreational property. Great potential for a building site. Asking $54900 only looking to sell. Please email me at stinsonw23@gmail.com with any other questions.
17.55 acres for sale Belding, Mi
Good hunt with great friends
My buddy Adam calls me Friday and invites me to hunt a field with him and his father. All good but I'm working a 12 hr 6:30-6:30 shift Friday night that kinda puts the kibosh on morning hunting. But no biggy. I met Adam on Friday afternoon and gave him my blind. Him and his dad set decoys and got the blinds brushed in so Saturday morning so I could just run out and jump in my layout. When I got out I hauled ass over to the field and it wasn't long after the fun started. Had our 6 birds by 7:44 AM. I'm not sure if a plan could come together any better than that. Thx Adam and Dan.
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INFORM: Cervid Health and States Indemnity FY 2015
INFORM: Cervid Health and States Indemnity FY 2015
USDA Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service sent this bulletin at 09/19/2014 05:22 PM EDT
Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS), Veterinary Services (VS) received a total of $3 million in appropriated funding to support cervid health activities in fiscal year (FY) 2014, and made approximately $1.0 million of this funding available for indemnity of chronic wasting disease (CWD) positive, suspect, and exposed farmed cervids. All of the available FY2014 indemnity funding was used to depopulate three CWD-infected herds. However, several States have asked about the availability of Federal indemnity funds for CWD-exposed animals in the future.
VS plans to offer Federal indemnity for CWD-exposed cervids beginning in FY2015. Briefly, we will prioritize the highest risk CWD-exposed animals for indemnity based on the availability of funding. Any newly reported CWD-positive herds will be considered for indemnity as they are identified, based first on funding availability and secondly on the risk presented by the herd.
We will reassess our fiscal year funding on a quarterly basis so that providing indemnity for exposed animals does not exhaust available funding early in the fiscal year. By taking this fiscally cautious approach, we hope to provide indemnity for positive herds identified later in the fiscal year while removing high-risk animals from the landscape as soon as possible to minimize the risk for disease spread. Further, removal and testing of these exposed animals will provide a better understanding of the disease risk presented by these animals/herds.
VS plans to work with our State and industry stakeholders on the criteria to assess the risk and on the process through which States can request this indemnity. These will be finalized in a VS Guidance Document in the near future. We look forward to working with you to implement this process in the coming year.
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how many states have $465,000., and can quarantine and purchase there from, each cwd said infected farm, but how many states can afford this for all the cwd infected cervid game ranch type farms ???
Tuesday, December 20, 2011
CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD WISCONSIN Almond Deer (Buckhorn Flats) Farm Update DECEMBER 2011
The CWD infection rate was nearly 80%, the highest ever in a North American captive herd. RECOMMENDATION: That the Board approve the purchase of 80 acres of land for $465,000 for the Statewide Wildlife Habitat Program in Portage County and approve the restrictions on public use of the site.
SUMMARY:
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*** We conclude that TSE infectivity is likely to survive burial for long time periods with minimal loss of infectivity and limited movement from the original burial site. However PMCA results have shown that there is the potential for rainwater to elute TSE related material from soil which could lead to the contamination of a wider area. These experiments reinforce the importance of risk assessment when disposing of TSE risk materials.
*** The results show that even highly diluted PrPSc can bind efficiently to polypropylene, stainless steel, glass, wood and stone and propagate the conversion of normal prion protein. For in vivo experiments, hamsters were ic injected with implants incubated in 1% 263K-infected brain homogenate. Hamsters, inoculated with 263K-contaminated implants of all groups, developed typical signs of prion disease, whereas control animals inoculated with non-contaminated materials did not.
PRION 2014 CONFERENCE
CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD
A FEW FINDINGS ;
Conclusions. To our knowledge, this is the first established experimental model of CWD in TgSB3985. We found evidence for co-existence or divergence of two CWD strains adapted to Tga20 mice and their replication in TgSB3985 mice. Finally, we observed phenotypic differences between cervid-derived CWD and CWD/Tg20 strains upon propagation in TgSB3985 mice. Further studies are underway to characterize these strains.
We conclude that TSE infectivity is likely to survive burial for long time periods with minimal loss of infectivity and limited movement from the original burial site. However PMCA results have shown that there is the potential for rainwater to elute TSE related material from soil which could lead to the contamination of a wider area. These experiments reinforce the importance of risk assessment when disposing of TSE risk materials.
The results show that even highly diluted PrPSc can bind efficiently to polypropylene, stainless steel, glass, wood and stone and propagate the conversion of normal prion protein. For in vivo experiments, hamsters were ic injected with implants incubated in 1% 263K-infected brain homogenate. Hamsters, inoculated with 263K-contaminated implants of all groups, developed typical signs of prion disease, whereas control animals inoculated with non-contaminated materials did not.
Our data establish that meadow voles are permissive to CWD via peripheral exposure route, suggesting they could serve as an environmental reservoir for CWD. Additionally, our data are consistent with the hypothesis that at least two strains of CWD circulate in naturally-infected cervid populations and provide evidence that meadow voles are a useful tool for CWD strain typing.
Conclusion. CWD prions are shed in saliva and urine of infected deer as early as 3 months post infection and throughout the subsequent >1.5 year course of infection. In current work we are examining the relationship of prionemia to excretion and the impact of excreted prion binding to surfaces and particulates in the environment.
Conclusion. CWD prions (as inferred by prion seeding activity by RT-QuIC) are shed in urine of infected deer as early as 6 months post inoculation and throughout the subsequent disease course. Further studies are in progress refining the real-time urinary prion assay sensitivity and we are examining more closely the excretion time frame, magnitude, and sample variables in relationship to inoculation route and prionemia in naturally and experimentally CWD-infected cervids.
Conclusions. Our results suggested that the odds of infection for CWD is likely controlled by areas that congregate deer thus increasing direct transmission (deer-to-deer interactions) or indirect transmission (deer-to-environment) by sharing or depositing infectious prion proteins in these preferred habitats. Epidemiology of CWD in the eastern U.S. is likely controlled by separate factors than found in the Midwestern and endemic areas for CWD and can assist in performing more efficient surveillance efforts for the region.
Conclusions. During the pre-symptomatic stage of CWD infection and throughout the course of disease deer may be shedding multiple LD50 doses per day in their saliva. CWD prion shedding through saliva and excreta may account for the unprecedented spread of this prion disease in nature.
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Monday, June 23, 2014
*** PRION 2014 CONFERENCE CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD
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*** Infectious agent of sheep scrapie may persist in the environment for at least 16 years***
Gudmundur Georgsson1, Sigurdur Sigurdarson2 and Paul Brown3
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New studies on the heat resistance of hamster-adapted scrapie agent: Threshold survival after ashing at 600°C suggests an inorganic template of replication
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Prion Infected Meat-and-Bone Meal Is Still Infectious after Biodiesel Production
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Detection of protease-resistant cervid prion protein in water from a CWD-endemic area
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A Quantitative Assessment of the Amount of Prion Diverted to Category 1 Materials and Wastewater During Processing
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Rapid assessment of bovine spongiform encephalopathy prion inactivation by heat treatment in yellow grease produced in the industrial manufacturing process of meat and bone meals
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PPo4-4:
Survival and Limited Spread of TSE Infectivity after Burial
PPo4-4:
Survival and Limited Spread of TSE Infectivity after Burial
Karen Fernie, Allister Smith and Robert A. Somerville The Roslin Institute and R(D)SVS; University of Edinburgh; Roslin, Scotland UK
SNIP...
These data show that TSE infectivity can survive burial for long periods but migrates slowly. Risk assessments should take into account the likely long survival rate when infected material has been buried.
The authors gratefully acknowledge funding from DEFRA.
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Friday, December 14, 2012
DEFRA U.K. What is the risk of Chronic Wasting Disease CWD being introduced into Great Britain? A Qualitative Risk Assessment October 2012
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In the USA, under the Food and Drug Administration’s BSE Feed Regulation (21 CFR 589.2000) most material (exceptions include milk, tallow, and gelatin) from deer and elk is prohibited for use in feed for ruminant animals. With regards to feed for non-ruminant animals, under FDA law, CWD positive deer may not be used for any animal feed or feed ingredients. For elk and deer considered at high risk for CWD, the FDA recommends that these animals do not enter the animal feed system. However, this recommendation is guidance and not a requirement by law.
Animals considered at high risk for CWD include:
1) animals from areas declared to be endemic for CWD and/or to be CWD eradication zones and
2) deer and elk that at some time during the 60-month period prior to slaughter were in a captive herd that contained a CWD-positive animal.
Therefore, in the USA, materials from cervids other than CWD positive animals may be used in animal feed and feed ingredients for non-ruminants.
The amount of animal PAP that is of deer and/or elk origin imported from the USA to GB can not be determined, however, as it is not specified in TRACES. It may constitute a small percentage of the 8412 kilos of non-fish origin processed animal proteins that were imported from US into GB in 2011.
*** Overall, therefore, it is considered there is a __greater than negligible risk___ that (nonruminant) animal feed and pet food containing deer and/or elk protein is imported into GB.
There is uncertainty associated with this estimate given the lack of data on the amount of deer and/or elk protein possibly being imported in these products.
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36% in 2007 (Almberg et al., 2011). In such areas, population declines of deer of up to 30 to 50% have been observed (Almberg et al., 2011). In areas of Colorado, the prevalence can be as high as 30% (EFSA, 2011).
The clinical signs of CWD in affected adults are weight loss and behavioural changes that can span weeks or months (Williams, 2005). In addition, signs might include excessive salivation, behavioural alterations including a fixed stare and changes in interaction with other animals in the herd, and an altered stance (Williams, 2005). These signs are indistinguishable from cervids experimentally infected with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE).
Given this, if CWD was to be introduced into countries with BSE such as GB, for example, infected deer populations would need to be tested to differentiate if they were infected with CWD or BSE to minimise the risk of BSE entering the human food-chain via affected venison.
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The rate of transmission of CWD has been reported to be as high as 30% and can approach 100% among captive animals in endemic areas (Safar et al., 2008).
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In summary, in endemic areas, there is a medium probability that the soil and surrounding environment is contaminated with CWD prions and in a bioavailable form. In rural areas where CWD has not been reported and deer are present, there is a greater than negligible risk the soil is contaminated with CWD prion.
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In summary, given the volume of tourists, hunters and servicemen moving between GB and North America, *** the probability of at least one person travelling to/from a CWD affected area and, in doing so, contaminating their clothing, footwear and/or equipment prior to arriving in GB is greater than negligible. For deer hunters, specifically, the risk is likely to be greater given the increased contact with deer and their environment. However, there is significant uncertainty associated with these estimates.
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Therefore, it is considered that farmed and park deer may have a higher probability of exposure to CWD transferred to the environment than wild deer given the restricted habitat range and higher frequency of contact with tourists and returning GB residents.
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Susceptibility of UK red deer (Cervus alaphus elaphus) to oral BSE transmission Project Code: M03024
02/08/2011
The project confirmed that U.K red deer are susceptible to both oral and intra-cerebral inoculation with the cattle BSE agent. Six clinically positive (from 26-42 months post inoculation) i.c inoculated and one (56 months post inoculation) orally dosed deer that tested positive for TSE by immunohistochemistry and Western blotting using several primary antibodies demonstrated widespread accumulation of disease specific prion protein in the central nervous system, peripheral nervous system and enteric nervous system but none in lymphoreticular system. All showed several brain sites positive for disease specific prion protein and presented immunohistochemistry and Western blotting phenotypes with similarities to BSE in sheep, goats and cattle but unlike those seen in chronic wasting disease (CWD) in elk or scrapie in sheep. The vacuolar pathology and distribution of disease specific prion protein in red deer resembled that of CWD in most major respects however we have shown that BSE can be clearly differentiated from CWD by existing immunohistochemical and biochemical methods that are in routine use.
The knowledge gained as a result of this work will permit rapid and accurate diagnosis should a TSE ever be detected in European red deer and will also enable effective disease control methods to be quickly put in place.
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REASON
Products manufactured from bulk feed containing blood meal that was cross contaminated with prohibited meat and bone meal and the labeling did not bear cautionary BSE statement.
VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE
9,997,976 lbs.
DISTRIBUTION
ID and NV
END OF ENFORCEMENT REPORT FOR MARCH 21, 2007
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Sunday, December 15, 2013
FDA PART 589 -- SUBSTANCES PROHIBITED FROM USE IN ANIMAL FOOD OR FEED VIOLATIONS OFFICIAL ACTION INDICATED OIA UPDATE DECEMBER 2013 UPDATE
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*** The potential impact of prion diseases on human health was greatly magnified by the recognition that interspecies transfer of BSE to humans by beef ingestion resulted in vCJD. While changes in animal feed constituents and slaughter practices appear to have curtailed vCJD, there is concern that CWD of free-ranging deer and elk in the U.S. might also cross the species barrier. Thus, consuming venison could be a source of human prion disease. Whether BSE and CWD represent interspecies scrapie transfer or are newly arisen prion diseases is unknown. Therefore, the possibility of transmission of prion disease through other food animals cannot be ruled out. There is evidence that vCJD can be transmitted through blood transfusion. There is likely a pool of unknown size of asymptomatic individuals infected with vCJD, and there may be asymptomatic individuals infected with the CWD equivalent. These circumstances represent a potential threat to blood, blood products, and plasma supplies.
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Thursday, July 03, 2014
*** How Chronic Wasting Disease is affecting deer population and what’s the risk to humans and pets?
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...isease-is.html
Tuesday, July 01, 2014
*** CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION DISEASE, GAME FARMS, AND POTENTIAL RISK FACTORS THERE FROM
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...tse-prion.html
Sunday, August 24, 2014
*** USAHA 117TH ANNUAL MEETING USDA-APHIS–VS CWD Herd Certification Program Goals TSE PRION October 17 – 23, 2013
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...a-aphisvs.html
Saturday, September 20, 2014
*** North Carolina Captive cervid licenses and permits Senate Bill 744 Singeltary Submission
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...-licenses.html
Thursday, September 18, 2014
*** Risk behaviors in a rural community with a known point-source exposure to chronic wasting disease
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...nity-with.html
Wednesday, September 17, 2014
*** Cervid Health Business Plan Fiscal Years 2014 to 2018 Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service Veterinary Services ***
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...an-fiscal.html
Friday, September 05, 2014
*** CFIA CWD and Grain Screenings due to potential risk factor of spreading via contamination of grain, oil seeds, etc. ***
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...gs-due-to.html
Wednesday, September 17, 2014
*** Cervid Health Business Plan Fiscal Years 2014 to 2018 Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service Veterinary Services ***
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...an-fiscal.html
TSS
Sunday, September 21, 2014
INFORM: Cervid Health and States Indemnity FY 2015
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...nd-states.html
USDA Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service sent this bulletin at 09/19/2014 05:22 PM EDT
Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS), Veterinary Services (VS) received a total of $3 million in appropriated funding to support cervid health activities in fiscal year (FY) 2014, and made approximately $1.0 million of this funding available for indemnity of chronic wasting disease (CWD) positive, suspect, and exposed farmed cervids. All of the available FY2014 indemnity funding was used to depopulate three CWD-infected herds. However, several States have asked about the availability of Federal indemnity funds for CWD-exposed animals in the future.
VS plans to offer Federal indemnity for CWD-exposed cervids beginning in FY2015. Briefly, we will prioritize the highest risk CWD-exposed animals for indemnity based on the availability of funding. Any newly reported CWD-positive herds will be considered for indemnity as they are identified, based first on funding availability and secondly on the risk presented by the herd.
We will reassess our fiscal year funding on a quarterly basis so that providing indemnity for exposed animals does not exhaust available funding early in the fiscal year. By taking this fiscally cautious approach, we hope to provide indemnity for positive herds identified later in the fiscal year while removing high-risk animals from the landscape as soon as possible to minimize the risk for disease spread. Further, removal and testing of these exposed animals will provide a better understanding of the disease risk presented by these animals/herds.
VS plans to work with our State and industry stakeholders on the criteria to assess the risk and on the process through which States can request this indemnity. These will be finalized in a VS Guidance Document in the near future. We look forward to working with you to implement this process in the coming year.
***
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how many states have $465,000., and can quarantine and purchase there from, each cwd said infected farm, but how many states can afford this for all the cwd infected cervid game ranch type farms ???
Tuesday, December 20, 2011
CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD WISCONSIN Almond Deer (Buckhorn Flats) Farm Update DECEMBER 2011
The CWD infection rate was nearly 80%, the highest ever in a North American captive herd. RECOMMENDATION: That the Board approve the purchase of 80 acres of land for $465,000 for the Statewide Wildlife Habitat Program in Portage County and approve the restrictions on public use of the site.
SUMMARY:
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*** We conclude that TSE infectivity is likely to survive burial for long time periods with minimal loss of infectivity and limited movement from the original burial site. However PMCA results have shown that there is the potential for rainwater to elute TSE related material from soil which could lead to the contamination of a wider area. These experiments reinforce the importance of risk assessment when disposing of TSE risk materials.
*** The results show that even highly diluted PrPSc can bind efficiently to polypropylene, stainless steel, glass, wood and stone and propagate the conversion of normal prion protein. For in vivo experiments, hamsters were ic injected with implants incubated in 1% 263K-infected brain homogenate. Hamsters, inoculated with 263K-contaminated implants of all groups, developed typical signs of prion disease, whereas control animals inoculated with non-contaminated materials did not.
PRION 2014 CONFERENCE
CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD
A FEW FINDINGS ;
Conclusions. To our knowledge, this is the first established experimental model of CWD in TgSB3985. We found evidence for co-existence or divergence of two CWD strains adapted to Tga20 mice and their replication in TgSB3985 mice. Finally, we observed phenotypic differences between cervid-derived CWD and CWD/Tg20 strains upon propagation in TgSB3985 mice. Further studies are underway to characterize these strains.
We conclude that TSE infectivity is likely to survive burial for long time periods with minimal loss of infectivity and limited movement from the original burial site. However PMCA results have shown that there is the potential for rainwater to elute TSE related material from soil which could lead to the contamination of a wider area. These experiments reinforce the importance of risk assessment when disposing of TSE risk materials.
The results show that even highly diluted PrPSc can bind efficiently to polypropylene, stainless steel, glass, wood and stone and propagate the conversion of normal prion protein. For in vivo experiments, hamsters were ic injected with implants incubated in 1% 263K-infected brain homogenate. Hamsters, inoculated with 263K-contaminated implants of all groups, developed typical signs of prion disease, whereas control animals inoculated with non-contaminated materials did not.
Our data establish that meadow voles are permissive to CWD via peripheral exposure route, suggesting they could serve as an environmental reservoir for CWD. Additionally, our data are consistent with the hypothesis that at least two strains of CWD circulate in naturally-infected cervid populations and provide evidence that meadow voles are a useful tool for CWD strain typing.
Conclusion. CWD prions are shed in saliva and urine of infected deer as early as 3 months post infection and throughout the subsequent >1.5 year course of infection. In current work we are examining the relationship of prionemia to excretion and the impact of excreted prion binding to surfaces and particulates in the environment.
Conclusion. CWD prions (as inferred by prion seeding activity by RT-QuIC) are shed in urine of infected deer as early as 6 months post inoculation and throughout the subsequent disease course. Further studies are in progress refining the real-time urinary prion assay sensitivity and we are examining more closely the excretion time frame, magnitude, and sample variables in relationship to inoculation route and prionemia in naturally and experimentally CWD-infected cervids.
Conclusions. Our results suggested that the odds of infection for CWD is likely controlled by areas that congregate deer thus increasing direct transmission (deer-to-deer interactions) or indirect transmission (deer-to-environment) by sharing or depositing infectious prion proteins in these preferred habitats. Epidemiology of CWD in the eastern U.S. is likely controlled by separate factors than found in the Midwestern and endemic areas for CWD and can assist in performing more efficient surveillance efforts for the region.
Conclusions. During the pre-symptomatic stage of CWD infection and throughout the course of disease deer may be shedding multiple LD50 doses per day in their saliva. CWD prion shedding through saliva and excreta may account for the unprecedented spread of this prion disease in nature.
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Monday, June 23, 2014
*** PRION 2014 CONFERENCE CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD
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*** Infectious agent of sheep scrapie may persist in the environment for at least 16 years***
Gudmundur Georgsson1, Sigurdur Sigurdarson2 and Paul Brown3
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New studies on the heat resistance of hamster-adapted scrapie agent: Threshold survival after ashing at 600°C suggests an inorganic template of replication
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Prion Infected Meat-and-Bone Meal Is Still Infectious after Biodiesel Production
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Detection of protease-resistant cervid prion protein in water from a CWD-endemic area
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A Quantitative Assessment of the Amount of Prion Diverted to Category 1 Materials and Wastewater During Processing
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Rapid assessment of bovine spongiform encephalopathy prion inactivation by heat treatment in yellow grease produced in the industrial manufacturing process of meat and bone meals
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PPo4-4:
Survival and Limited Spread of TSE Infectivity after Burial
PPo4-4:
Survival and Limited Spread of TSE Infectivity after Burial
Karen Fernie, Allister Smith and Robert A. Somerville The Roslin Institute and R(D)SVS; University of Edinburgh; Roslin, Scotland UK
SNIP...
These data show that TSE infectivity can survive burial for long periods but migrates slowly. Risk assessments should take into account the likely long survival rate when infected material has been buried.
The authors gratefully acknowledge funding from DEFRA.
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Friday, December 14, 2012
DEFRA U.K. What is the risk of Chronic Wasting Disease CWD being introduced into Great Britain? A Qualitative Risk Assessment October 2012
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In the USA, under the Food and Drug Administration’s BSE Feed Regulation (21 CFR 589.2000) most material (exceptions include milk, tallow, and gelatin) from deer and elk is prohibited for use in feed for ruminant animals. With regards to feed for non-ruminant animals, under FDA law, CWD positive deer may not be used for any animal feed or feed ingredients. For elk and deer considered at high risk for CWD, the FDA recommends that these animals do not enter the animal feed system. However, this recommendation is guidance and not a requirement by law.
Animals considered at high risk for CWD include:
1) animals from areas declared to be endemic for CWD and/or to be CWD eradication zones and
2) deer and elk that at some time during the 60-month period prior to slaughter were in a captive herd that contained a CWD-positive animal.
Therefore, in the USA, materials from cervids other than CWD positive animals may be used in animal feed and feed ingredients for non-ruminants.
The amount of animal PAP that is of deer and/or elk origin imported from the USA to GB can not be determined, however, as it is not specified in TRACES. It may constitute a small percentage of the 8412 kilos of non-fish origin processed animal proteins that were imported from US into GB in 2011.
*** Overall, therefore, it is considered there is a __greater than negligible risk___ that (nonruminant) animal feed and pet food containing deer and/or elk protein is imported into GB.
There is uncertainty associated with this estimate given the lack of data on the amount of deer and/or elk protein possibly being imported in these products.
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36% in 2007 (Almberg et al., 2011). In such areas, population declines of deer of up to 30 to 50% have been observed (Almberg et al., 2011). In areas of Colorado, the prevalence can be as high as 30% (EFSA, 2011).
The clinical signs of CWD in affected adults are weight loss and behavioural changes that can span weeks or months (Williams, 2005). In addition, signs might include excessive salivation, behavioural alterations including a fixed stare and changes in interaction with other animals in the herd, and an altered stance (Williams, 2005). These signs are indistinguishable from cervids experimentally infected with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE).
Given this, if CWD was to be introduced into countries with BSE such as GB, for example, infected deer populations would need to be tested to differentiate if they were infected with CWD or BSE to minimise the risk of BSE entering the human food-chain via affected venison.
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The rate of transmission of CWD has been reported to be as high as 30% and can approach 100% among captive animals in endemic areas (Safar et al., 2008).
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In summary, in endemic areas, there is a medium probability that the soil and surrounding environment is contaminated with CWD prions and in a bioavailable form. In rural areas where CWD has not been reported and deer are present, there is a greater than negligible risk the soil is contaminated with CWD prion.
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In summary, given the volume of tourists, hunters and servicemen moving between GB and North America, *** the probability of at least one person travelling to/from a CWD affected area and, in doing so, contaminating their clothing, footwear and/or equipment prior to arriving in GB is greater than negligible. For deer hunters, specifically, the risk is likely to be greater given the increased contact with deer and their environment. However, there is significant uncertainty associated with these estimates.
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Therefore, it is considered that farmed and park deer may have a higher probability of exposure to CWD transferred to the environment than wild deer given the restricted habitat range and higher frequency of contact with tourists and returning GB residents.
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Susceptibility of UK red deer (Cervus alaphus elaphus) to oral BSE transmission Project Code: M03024
02/08/2011
The project confirmed that U.K red deer are susceptible to both oral and intra-cerebral inoculation with the cattle BSE agent. Six clinically positive (from 26-42 months post inoculation) i.c inoculated and one (56 months post inoculation) orally dosed deer that tested positive for TSE by immunohistochemistry and Western blotting using several primary antibodies demonstrated widespread accumulation of disease specific prion protein in the central nervous system, peripheral nervous system and enteric nervous system but none in lymphoreticular system. All showed several brain sites positive for disease specific prion protein and presented immunohistochemistry and Western blotting phenotypes with similarities to BSE in sheep, goats and cattle but unlike those seen in chronic wasting disease (CWD) in elk or scrapie in sheep. The vacuolar pathology and distribution of disease specific prion protein in red deer resembled that of CWD in most major respects however we have shown that BSE can be clearly differentiated from CWD by existing immunohistochemical and biochemical methods that are in routine use.
The knowledge gained as a result of this work will permit rapid and accurate diagnosis should a TSE ever be detected in European red deer and will also enable effective disease control methods to be quickly put in place.
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REASON
Products manufactured from bulk feed containing blood meal that was cross contaminated with prohibited meat and bone meal and the labeling did not bear cautionary BSE statement.
VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE
9,997,976 lbs.
DISTRIBUTION
ID and NV
END OF ENFORCEMENT REPORT FOR MARCH 21, 2007
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Sunday, December 15, 2013
FDA PART 589 -- SUBSTANCES PROHIBITED FROM USE IN ANIMAL FOOD OR FEED VIOLATIONS OFFICIAL ACTION INDICATED OIA UPDATE DECEMBER 2013 UPDATE
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*** The potential impact of prion diseases on human health was greatly magnified by the recognition that interspecies transfer of BSE to humans by beef ingestion resulted in vCJD. While changes in animal feed constituents and slaughter practices appear to have curtailed vCJD, there is concern that CWD of free-ranging deer and elk in the U.S. might also cross the species barrier. Thus, consuming venison could be a source of human prion disease. Whether BSE and CWD represent interspecies scrapie transfer or are newly arisen prion diseases is unknown. Therefore, the possibility of transmission of prion disease through other food animals cannot be ruled out. There is evidence that vCJD can be transmitted through blood transfusion. There is likely a pool of unknown size of asymptomatic individuals infected with vCJD, and there may be asymptomatic individuals infected with the CWD equivalent. These circumstances represent a potential threat to blood, blood products, and plasma supplies.
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Thursday, July 03, 2014
*** How Chronic Wasting Disease is affecting deer population and what’s the risk to humans and pets?
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...isease-is.html
Tuesday, July 01, 2014
*** CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION DISEASE, GAME FARMS, AND POTENTIAL RISK FACTORS THERE FROM
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...tse-prion.html
Sunday, August 24, 2014
*** USAHA 117TH ANNUAL MEETING USDA-APHIS–VS CWD Herd Certification Program Goals TSE PRION October 17 – 23, 2013
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...a-aphisvs.html
Saturday, September 20, 2014
*** North Carolina Captive cervid licenses and permits Senate Bill 744 Singeltary Submission
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...-licenses.html
Thursday, September 18, 2014
*** Risk behaviors in a rural community with a known point-source exposure to chronic wasting disease
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...nity-with.html
Wednesday, September 17, 2014
*** Cervid Health Business Plan Fiscal Years 2014 to 2018 Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service Veterinary Services ***
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...an-fiscal.html
Friday, September 05, 2014
*** CFIA CWD and Grain Screenings due to potential risk factor of spreading via contamination of grain, oil seeds, etc. ***
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...gs-due-to.html
Wednesday, September 17, 2014
*** Cervid Health Business Plan Fiscal Years 2014 to 2018 Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service Veterinary Services ***
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TSS
Sunday, September 21, 2014
INFORM: Cervid Health and States Indemnity FY 2015
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INFORM: Cervid Health and States Indemnity FY 2015
Turnips turning brown
I'm tring to figure out why the turnip leafs have turning brown ?
I did plant them a little early. First week of July
The reason for the early plantain is that last year they did not develop the big turnips like in the past ( planted late July early aug ). I wasn't sure what was the cause. The late plant or to much seed.
The other 2 plots next to the turnips are planted with winter greens and planted on the same day are not turning brown
What is the cause and will the deer still eat the leafs after the first frost
I did plant them a little early. First week of July
The reason for the early plantain is that last year they did not develop the big turnips like in the past ( planted late July early aug ). I wasn't sure what was the cause. The late plant or to much seed.
The other 2 plots next to the turnips are planted with winter greens and planted on the same day are not turning brown
What is the cause and will the deer still eat the leafs after the first frost
Turnips turning brown
1999 27' Prowler
1999 27' Prowler Bunkhouse
Good condition. Everything works. Very clean camper. TV/ microwave. Outside shower. Furnace works great and cold A.C. New tires. - See More Here: http://ift.tt/1tNjqHU
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Brown trout?
Gents, recently I spent a total of five days chasing the elusive salmon on the Big Manistee and had an experience I'd like to share with you, and hopefully learn from it.
We fished from my boat hard every day, early and late, and became aware of feeding fish around us during the prime times. These were definitely not salmon, and had to be some type of trout as they were taking emerging and/or egg laying winged insects (sulphurs?) from the surface. Some of the "rises" were spectacular, with the whole fish coming out of the water.
Here's the rub. As it started to sink in that I (or we) should ditch the salmon hunting routine and start working for these trout instead. With only two fish to show for 5 hard days of work, this wasn't too hard a concept to get my head wrapped around. Unfortunately, neither of us had come prepared to make the adjustment "mid stream" and had to put off the fly fishing until the next trip (or next Fall).
From what I witnessed over these two trips, this body of water is full of good sized browns and maybe even some decent rainbows just waiting for our offering at the end of a fly line. Any comments, experiences?
Thanks
Jay
We fished from my boat hard every day, early and late, and became aware of feeding fish around us during the prime times. These were definitely not salmon, and had to be some type of trout as they were taking emerging and/or egg laying winged insects (sulphurs?) from the surface. Some of the "rises" were spectacular, with the whole fish coming out of the water.
Here's the rub. As it started to sink in that I (or we) should ditch the salmon hunting routine and start working for these trout instead. With only two fish to show for 5 hard days of work, this wasn't too hard a concept to get my head wrapped around. Unfortunately, neither of us had come prepared to make the adjustment "mid stream" and had to put off the fly fishing until the next trip (or next Fall).
From what I witnessed over these two trips, this body of water is full of good sized browns and maybe even some decent rainbows just waiting for our offering at the end of a fly line. Any comments, experiences?
Thanks
Jay
Brown trout?
any kings on the eastside
Anyone cast of the Port Austin pier these days? Thinking of making a trip that way maybe to fish the breakwall or river in early Oct. Pm if you need to. Been awhile. Not been there since they re did the place. Thanks for any info.
any kings on the eastside
Best book on fly tying??
Hey guys looking to order a book on fly tying and wondering if anyone could recommend some good ones.
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Best book on fly tying??
samedi 20 septembre 2014
Tri-Tronics Sport 60 e-collar
Tri-Tronics Sport 60 generation 2 electronic collar. The unit is in good condition and contains the collar receiver, transmitter, lanyard, charger, two plastic collars, TT lanyard, and both sets of contact points for short and long haired dogs.
Everything functions like it should. The only thing wrong with this is the replaceable rubber antenna is chewed up some and the original box is pretty beat up.
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Everything functions like it should. The only thing wrong with this is the replaceable rubber antenna is chewed up some and the original box is pretty beat up.
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BSR fishing report, PM, and Betsie - salmonfishology
Gents, been here since 9/17 and punching out in a.m. BSR has maybe, just maybe 30-40 fish in entire river and water is HIGH!!! All the blow and rain last night changed nothing....still same number of fish..maybe less....57 degrees at bath house, big storm last night, and it is 9/20, so form your own salmonfishology on why only a scant # of fish. Went to Betsie yesterday and scouted area near M115. Yes. few small single fish here and there and a guy here and there with 1 on stringer. Checked out PM in lower areak... saw a fish flop here and there but empty stringers guys. Yes, I don't live here and I drive 300 plus miles to get here every year. I am sure the local guys have their holes and can still pluck em out but for me I came up zilch. If u are driving a distance to come up it is really not worth it. Save your dough for another year. Worse than 2010 run!!!! When alewives come back..which I hope they will...the kings will hopefully be back. Hate to be a Debbie downer but I speak the truth bros. Oh, PM lake had 1 boat tonight on it!
BSR fishing report, PM, and Betsie - salmonfishology
Reports for yall
Hit the pm and another river I think should b an unmen. Ffrom15th-19th moderate pressure, slow fishing. I would say less than half the fish at this time last year. Landed 30 fish between 3 guys. I know this sounds pretty good but last year I landed over 100 alone.and I caught more than anyone I saw this year.Hate to say it but the "slow reports" are true, very true. Heard some locals sayin eggs didn't develop at a normal rate because of below av. Water temps this summer. So run is late. Had a blast though. Only 362 days from next salmon trip! Cannot wait! One positive note, saw less trash than ever! Pm at twin bridges was very clean compaired to normal. Skein is still very tight! Which by the way I have extra uncured skein that is in good shape if any one is headed up from s/e mi or n/w ohio. I'm 15 mins off us 23 and 5 mins off us223anybody needs some shout by Monday or it's cat food.....send a pm for eggs! Have a great 2014 run and respect our beautiful rivers!
Reports for yall
Disappointing Reports
WOW! Never saw so many dismal reports this far into September before. I read somewhere on these forums back in August some speculation that, because of the strange weather, the Salmon run may be one BIG push all of a sudden this year. I prefer to believe this because it makes sense to me. I'm sure it won't be long before someone starts saying the sky is falling. I am also sure that someone else will get on here and say " I've been killing them since August! " Of course they won't say WHERE they've been killing them.:lol: I think there will be one major push this year and I sure hope I'm there for it. What are YOUR thoughts?
Disappointing Reports
Linwood road launch
Does anyone know if the old launch at the end of Linwood road is usable with a 16' flat bottom? I know it looked borderline this spring. Just haven't been back over there to check in a couple months.
Linwood road launch
UP Opener
Where does everyone go for the opener in the UP? I will be headed to Drummond Island my in laws have a place up there so it's a free place to stay and I have been wanting to go for the past few seasons. Anyone ever hunt the island and have any pointers? I don't need spots I have ideas of my own just wanna hear everyone's ideas and where they are gonna be! Be safe and have fun!
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UP Opener
So Far So Bad
Hit the Platt, Big Manistee, & Betsie in the last 3 days
Simply very few fish
Even talking to kayak'ers, nothing jumping or moving
No harvesting at the weirs = Very few fish
Not worth a trip for salmon fishing
OK to enjoy the weather and practice your casting
My suggestion.. Keep an eye on the reports and cross yor fingers
Be safe out there
Simply very few fish
Even talking to kayak'ers, nothing jumping or moving
No harvesting at the weirs = Very few fish
Not worth a trip for salmon fishing
OK to enjoy the weather and practice your casting
My suggestion.. Keep an eye on the reports and cross yor fingers
Be safe out there
So Far So Bad
9/19 Sturgeon Report
Got out on the North Channel with Caffineforall tonight about 8pm there was a boat in our usual spot so we tried down farther. In an hour all we caught was a 4" rocky so we moved back up towards the launch.
Was about 20 minutes without a bite when I said we found another dead spot and right then Caffine got a bite. He pulled back on the rod and there was nothing there, so he dropped it back down. A couple seconds later the fish hit again and it was hooked this time :). The fish immediately started taking line and the fight was on. It took a bit, but the fish finally jumped and we knew it was a 50+ inch fish. After 15 minutes of a very good fight, his back wasn't doing good, so Tyler took over for the last 5 minutes or so. We finally got the fish into the net and over the side of the boat.
It measured in at 66" and had a girth of 31" just a bit behind the head. I could get the tape to slide down a little further where it was more than likely a bit bigger. The Michigan DNR chart puts the fish at 95lbs with a 31" girth and if it was 32" and even 100lbs. This fish was a tank, it was quite a bit thicker than the 65" fish we caught 3 weeks ago.
A big congrats to Caffineforall on his new PB sturgeon and to even be able to fight this fish after coming off back surgery a month or so ago.
Was about 20 minutes without a bite when I said we found another dead spot and right then Caffine got a bite. He pulled back on the rod and there was nothing there, so he dropped it back down. A couple seconds later the fish hit again and it was hooked this time :). The fish immediately started taking line and the fight was on. It took a bit, but the fish finally jumped and we knew it was a 50+ inch fish. After 15 minutes of a very good fight, his back wasn't doing good, so Tyler took over for the last 5 minutes or so. We finally got the fish into the net and over the side of the boat.
It measured in at 66" and had a girth of 31" just a bit behind the head. I could get the tape to slide down a little further where it was more than likely a bit bigger. The Michigan DNR chart puts the fish at 95lbs with a 31" girth and if it was 32" and even 100lbs. This fish was a tank, it was quite a bit thicker than the 65" fish we caught 3 weeks ago.
A big congrats to Caffineforall on his new PB sturgeon and to even be able to fight this fish after coming off back surgery a month or so ago.
9/19 Sturgeon Report
Marina Panfish.
Just a quick report. I took my son out to teach him some new techniques for panfish while prospecting some of the south end Anchor Bay marinas. 5-7pm ended up with 13 gills over 8" and some mid sized perch. No crappie today although we had some earlier in the week. Went through 30-40 others to get the 13. Sorry no pics. Went home to continue teaching him fly tying so no time for cleaning. Surface water is still really warm. Weed beds loaded with bait fish. Just thought I'd post a quick report for those that enjoy panfishing.
(sorry for the double post. Posted in the wrong forum prior)
(sorry for the double post. Posted in the wrong forum prior)
Marina Panfish.
vendredi 19 septembre 2014
Choke!
Saw a first in high school football tonight. I won't mention team names but, this was a truly classless, dangerous act of anger by an out-of-control individual.
Visiting team was getting spanked by home team 24-0 in 1st half. Home team runner is tackled around the neck by visiting team defender. Visiting team defender literally puts a choke hold around the neck of the runner (aka World Wrestling Federation). Despite continuous efforts of referees, they could not pry defender off runner. Finally, players and refs frantically pry defender's arm off from around the runner's choking neck-hold. Runner is out cold, 100% UNCONSCIOUS! Lays on ground for 10 minutes gathering breath.
Referees toss the defender out of the game (obviously) but, he keeps charging back in to the fray wanting to continue the fight. Coaches and players had trouble holding the strangler down. Finally, he is escorted out of the stadium and to the school's bus.
Me thinks that this horrible spate of anger might end this jackass' high school career either by the MHSAA and/or his own school and, might possibly result in criminal charges. Folks, it was THAT ugly.
This was beyond mid-field bickering, sucker-punching or even a team brawl. This player crossed way, way, way over the line. Too bad. So Sad.
Visiting team was getting spanked by home team 24-0 in 1st half. Home team runner is tackled around the neck by visiting team defender. Visiting team defender literally puts a choke hold around the neck of the runner (aka World Wrestling Federation). Despite continuous efforts of referees, they could not pry defender off runner. Finally, players and refs frantically pry defender's arm off from around the runner's choking neck-hold. Runner is out cold, 100% UNCONSCIOUS! Lays on ground for 10 minutes gathering breath.
Referees toss the defender out of the game (obviously) but, he keeps charging back in to the fray wanting to continue the fight. Coaches and players had trouble holding the strangler down. Finally, he is escorted out of the stadium and to the school's bus.
Me thinks that this horrible spate of anger might end this jackass' high school career either by the MHSAA and/or his own school and, might possibly result in criminal charges. Folks, it was THAT ugly.
This was beyond mid-field bickering, sucker-punching or even a team brawl. This player crossed way, way, way over the line. Too bad. So Sad.
Choke!
I'm at a lost on the grand down town
Ok I live a few block from the 6th street dam. So I went to give it a try. Wow I am lost. Never have I seen people fish the way they are down here at the dam. 7foot leaders sinker hooked right up to the three way swivel and just a tiny bit of bait. Looks to be maybe yarn. So small was hard to see.
I grew up up north on the east side and did my fishing on Huron. So this is all new to me.
Maybe I could tag along with someone one afternoon.
I grew up up north on the east side and did my fishing on Huron. So this is all new to me.
Maybe I could tag along with someone one afternoon.
I'm at a lost on the grand down town
JV Tonight
Seems odd but if you think about it, tonight may be one of the biggest starts of jvs career. I don't think expecting vintage jv is realistic at this point, but he needs to find a way to go out and give us 7 innings with 2 or 3 runs. I have noticed brad seems to have developed a much quicker hook with him, rather than letting jv "work out of trouble". Seems brad learned something there. If jv sucks yet again tonight what do the Tigers do with him? How many more times can they run him out there this year and expect different results?
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Sharpening serrated blades
Anyone out there, been able to sharpen serrated blades on electric filleting knives. If so how did you do it. Thanks. Blue
Sharpening serrated blades
Broadhead Identity?
Hey guys, last year my wife sent me pics of this bow from a yardsale. Its an Golden Eagle splitfire 32 RTX? It came ready to shoot, even came with the release and 10 arrows with 2 broadheads. If memory serves, I got it for $75. String and all looks like new. I told her buy it, these things come in handy with two boys ages 12 & 13. Anyway, can anyone identify this broadhead and maybe tell me if this would work on a low poundage bow. My son is shooting a Bear Apprentice 2, not sure on the poundage as we've been cranking it up over the summer.
Broadhead Identity?
Regal GSPs'...
Two rather regal looking Shorthairs (...Scotland's vote for but ultimate rejection of independence...)
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Hoppe's no. 10
Hoppe's no. 10
Regal GSPs'...
gun season fruit or nut trees?
I've been thinking about what kinds of trees I should plant near one of my gun stands that is located in a grassy swale? What kinds of fruit or nut trees hold their fruit until November 15th or later? What kind of trees do you plant near your gun blinds? I know Goldrush apple tree's hold their apples really late but I also know they're susceptible to CAR and I've got a lot of cedar trees in the area. Are there any crabapples or pears that hold their fruit late into the season?
gun season fruit or nut trees?
Regal GSPs'...
Two rather regal looking Shorthairs (...Scotland's vote for but ultimate rejection of independence...)
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Hoppe's no. 10
Hoppe's no. 10
Regal GSPs'...
Fish Point Conditions
Being one of the lucky ones for opening day, I am wondering what the water levels would be to support 50 parties. I scouted a bit during the Teal season and crops looked the best I've seen in years, but I seriously doubt it will be flooded enough for everyone to get a quality hunt. Does anyone have any input?
Fish Point Conditions
jeudi 18 septembre 2014
Manistique River Pier for Salmon fishing?
Hello All,
I haven't fished the Manistique River for Kings before and looking forward to hearing any pros or cons. Looks like there is a couple of nice break walls at the mouth. Any good?
Please advise.
Thanks in advance!
I haven't fished the Manistique River for Kings before and looking forward to hearing any pros or cons. Looks like there is a couple of nice break walls at the mouth. Any good?
Please advise.
Thanks in advance!
Manistique River Pier for Salmon fishing?
would it be worth it?
would it be worth it? thinking of putting a kicker motor on a 20ft lund with a 8hp Yamaha four stroke.the boat has a 4.3 inboard outboard. runs great.right now it trolls at 1.3 to 1.5 with trolling plate can get it slower with bags. just not sure if it would be worth it or not. can get a used one a a fair price. save on gas or not. thanks all.
would it be worth it?
anyone interested perch fishing
For a passenger I will help with costs. Friday or sat. you give me the time call me at 734-657-1683 I have not gone out this year once & would really like to go out. Really slow at work right now bored out of my mind. Like I said I am willing to help with cost. Name is Roger
anyone interested perch fishing
HOw old?
How old can a traditional bow be before it should be retired?
I think I remember seeing one in my FIL's basement a while back that hasn't seen action in a loooooong time...at the very least, it would be fun to get it out and start shootin' it in the back yard.
I think I remember seeing one in my FIL's basement a while back that hasn't seen action in a loooooong time...at the very least, it would be fun to get it out and start shootin' it in the back yard.
HOw old?
Perch Minnow Question
From your experience, does it really matter if you keep your minnows alive with an aerator while perch fishing?
Perch Minnow Question
What's the word
So I am not seeing the forum on fire! Whats going on is it low numbers or late push. I was reading the pm thread and not being said. Just loooking for a accurate report hopeful that steelheads are going to come in strong in October.
Tight lines
Tight lines
What's the word
cheep car
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Taking a chance, delete if it crosses the line.
I have been spanked a couple times and I hope this doesnt end my 13 yrs here. but I feel too strongly about what I do and the people who need it to not at least try.
This is purely medical, and if spreading this news isnt worth losing my place here, at least it confirms pretty much what I have spent yrs trying to share. It excites me that 400 doctors paid money to learn about it and are asking when the next one will be and where .
http://ift.tt/1mekdRh
"The event was organized by Martha Montemayor and Sarara Corva, who respectively directed and coordinated the event. In a brief interview, Corva stated her goal was to bring minds together to learn and spread information to the next generation of doctors, many of whom knew nothing about actual treatment of patients with cannabis. Their objectives were undeniably exceeded, as behind the scenes many doctors were expressing their elation at finally learning how to more effectively help their patients. Both organizers delivered great presentations of their own to an audience consisting of around 400 doctors and medical professionals".
Hope I am here to see replies in the morning.
:)
This is purely medical, and if spreading this news isnt worth losing my place here, at least it confirms pretty much what I have spent yrs trying to share. It excites me that 400 doctors paid money to learn about it and are asking when the next one will be and where .
http://ift.tt/1mekdRh
"The event was organized by Martha Montemayor and Sarara Corva, who respectively directed and coordinated the event. In a brief interview, Corva stated her goal was to bring minds together to learn and spread information to the next generation of doctors, many of whom knew nothing about actual treatment of patients with cannabis. Their objectives were undeniably exceeded, as behind the scenes many doctors were expressing their elation at finally learning how to more effectively help their patients. Both organizers delivered great presentations of their own to an audience consisting of around 400 doctors and medical professionals".
Hope I am here to see replies in the morning.
:)
Taking a chance, delete if it crosses the line.
mercredi 17 septembre 2014
Say it aint So!
If you would have told me in April these Tigers were this bad, I would have called you crazy!
Say it aint So!
Weds eve report
Well not the best trip of the perch season. The wife and I took 40. 22' MI water. And another beautiful ride in.
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Cervid Health Business Plan Fiscal Years 2014 to 2018 APHIS
Cervid Health Business Plan Fiscal Years 2014 to 2018 Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service Veterinary Services
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c. Funding sources
Cervid Health Programs are funded through the equine, cervid, small ruminant health (ECSR) line. The total APHIS FY 2014 ECSR budget is $19. 5 million. Congressional language accompanying the FY 2014 appropriations specifies that APHIS should spend $3. 0 million for cervid health activities.
III. Value of Program Objectives:
In 2007, the cervid industry in the United States included 5,600 deer farms and 1,900 elk farms with an economic value of $894 million that supported nearly 30,000 jobs. The recently conducted 2012 National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS) census will provide important updates on cervid industry statistics.
The Cervid Health Program protects the health of cervids and improves the quality, productivity and economic viability of the cervid industry. CWD, TB, and brucellosis remain important disease threats to cervid populations. Outbreaks of these diseases could have serious consequences for the cervid industry and allied stakeholders. APHIS’ CWD HCP, cervid TB herd accreditation, and proposed brucellosis herd certification programs are essential to reducing and mitigating those consequences.
A key value of the cervid health programs is to reduce losses to the cervid industry and to reduce the overall cost to the Federal government to respond to outbreaks. In the past 10 years, many CWD infected and exposed cervid farms were depopulated with Federal indemnity at a significant cost to the industry, States, and Federal government. The cervid TB herd accreditation program has reduced disease transmission in cervid populations and in other domestic species that could have resulted in larger and more serious disease outbreaks.
An additional value of the cervid health program is to promote and facilitate domestic and international trade of animals and cervid-derived products. Since the identification of CWD, many international markets have refused farmed cervids or cervid-derived products from the United States. The U.S. cervid industry cannot expand its markets without USDA animal health programs to certify their animals to have low disease risk and/or disease freedom. The Cervid Health Program promotes the opportunity for the cervid industry to start competing in international trade again.
Lastly, TB and brucellosis are zoonotic diseases which can be transmitted from farmed cervids to other livestock, wildlife, and people. Although CWD has not been recognized as a prion disease transmissible to people, it can be transmitted between farmed cervids to wild cervid populations and it persists in the environment. A direct benefit of the Cervid Health Program is to safeguard public health, prevent transmission at the domestic animal-wildlife interface, and reduce environmental contamination.
IV. FY 2014 – FY 2018 Implementation
Objective 1: Prevent and control CWD in farmed cervid populations
Strategy 1: Implement CWD rule and CWD Program Standards.
FY 2014 Activities:
1. 1 Affirm CWD final rule and publish in FY 2014.
1. 2 Finalize CWD Program Standards revision (consider public comments) and publish new version in FY 2014.
1. 3 Prepare and submit information collection documents for renewal by FY 2015.
FY 2015- FY 2018 Activities
1. 4 CWD Program Standards (2nd edition) to be reviewed for further updates.
1. 5 Information collection renewal to be completed in FY 2015 (triennial cycle).
Strategy 2: Maintain Approved State CWD HCPs.
FY 2014 Activities:
2. 1 Finalize annual report template and guidance for Approved States renewal process, and collect annual reports from Approved States.
2. 2 Complete Approved State status for remaining six Provisional Approved States.
FY 2015 – FY 2018 Activities
2. 3 Review annual reports and evaluate compliance of Approved States.
2. 4 Administer the national CWD HCP, subject to the availability of appropriated funds, for herd owners in States that do not have an approved State HCP.
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2. 5 Develop metrics for Approved State program administration reviews.
2. 6 Conduct Consistent State Reviews of Approved State CWD HCPs based on requests for review by States or observation of deficiencies in State programs.
Strategy 4: Complete official CWD, cervid TB, and cervid brucellosis testing.
FY 2014 Activities:
4. 1 Monitor NAHLN approved laboratories for proficiency and accuracy in lab testing and reporting in defined timeframes.
4. 2 Establish list of approved laboratories to conduct IHC and/or ELISA testing for CWD.
4. 3 Approve new laboratories as needed as outlined in the NAHLN SOP and CWD Program Standards.
FY 2015 – FY 2018 Activities
4.4 Continue activities 4. 1 – 4. 3.
Strategy 5: National Program Reporting/ Data Management.
FY 2014 Activities:
5. 1 Develop and implement cervid health indemnity database on indemnity SharePoint site.
5. 2 Assess use of SCS/national CWD instance by Approved States.
5. 3 Develop SCS data entry guidance for national CWD instance (if warranted).
5. 4 Prepare national annual summary report from Approved States’ reports.
5. 5 Receive quarterly tallies of CWD testing surveillance in farmed cervids and prepare annual summary surveillance report.
5. 6 Encourage VS personnel and stakeholders regarding the use of electronic identification of animals, electronic data collection and reporting, e. g. MIMS, of program surveillance and disease control activities, collection and use of data and test results from outside sources. Tools that support this type of data handling also need to be improved so the process is streamlined, easily accessible and user friendly to VS employees, States and Federally accredited veterinarians.
FY 2015 – FY 2018 Activities
5. 6 Continue activities 5. 1 – 5. 5 (with or without SCS/national CWD instance). Strategy 6: Interstate and International Cervid Movement.
FY 2014 Activities:
6. 1 Address import/export issues for cervids and cervid products.
6. 2 Facilitate requests for interstate movement (translocation) of free-ranging cervids based on CWD rule requirements. Refine interstate movement agreement protocols as needed. Complete guidance.
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FY 2015 – FY 2018 Activities:
6. 3 Continue work on import/export issues.
6. 4 Continue facilitation of requests for interstate movement (translocation) of wild cervids.
6. 5 Develop risk assessment and surveillance templates for interstate movement of cervids.
June 19, 2014
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_hea...lan_cervid.pdf
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*** Susceptibility of UK red deer (Cervus alaphus elaphus) to oral BSE transmission Project Code: M03024 ***
02/08/2011
The project confirmed that U.K red deer are susceptible to both oral and intra-cerebral inoculation with the cattle BSE agent. Six clinically positive (from 26-42 months post inoculation) i.c inoculated and one (56 months post inoculation) orally dosed deer that tested positive for TSE by immunohistochemistry and Western blotting using several primary antibodies demonstrated widespread accumulation of disease specific prion protein in the central nervous system, peripheral nervous system and enteric nervous system but none in lymphoreticular system. All showed several brain sites positive for disease specific prion protein and presented immunohistochemistry and Western blotting phenotypes with similarities to BSE in sheep, goats and cattle but unlike those seen in chronic wasting disease (CWD) in elk or scrapie in sheep. The vacuolar pathology and distribution of disease specific prion protein in red deer resembled that of CWD in most major respects however we have shown that BSE can be clearly differentiated from CWD by existing immunohistochemical and biochemical methods that are in routine use.
The knowledge gained as a result of this work will permit rapid and accurate diagnosis should a TSE ever be detected in European red deer and will also enable effective disease control methods to be quickly put in place.
http://www.foodbase.org.uk/results.php?f_report_id=718
Results
We confirmed that U.K red deer are susceptible to both oral and intra-cerebral inoculation with the cattle BSE agent. Six clinically positive (from 26-42mpi) i.c inoculated and one (56mpi) orally dosed deer that tested positive for TSE by IHC and WB using several primary antibodies demonstrated widespread accumulation of disease specific PrP in CNS, PNS and ENS but none in LRS. All showed several brain sites positive for disease specific PrP and presented IHC and WB phenotypes with similarities to BSE in sheep, goats and cattle but unlike those seen in CWD in elk or scrapie in sheep. The vacuolar pathology and distribution of PrPd BSE in red deer resembled that of CWD in most major respects however we have shown that BSE can be clearly differentiated from CWD by existing immunohistochemical and biochemical methods that are in routine use.
Final technical report MO3024 01/04/2003 – 31/03/2010 Susceptibility of UK red deer (Cervus elaphus elaphus) to oral BSE transmission. Stuart Martin - VLA Lasswade Pentlands Science Park Bush Loan Penicuik EH26 0PZ Page 2 of 21 Further work undertaken August 2009 – March 2010. Genetic analysis - Wilfred Goldmann; Roslin NPD.
Negative controls and the remaining 5 orally dosed deer culled at 72mpi tested negative by IHC and Western blot however analysis of the PrP ORF of these deer (kindly carried out by Wilfred Goldmann of the Roslin NPD) identified a Q to E polymorphism at codon 226 that may influence the efficiency of oral transmission (not published).
In the experimental BSE challenge of red deer six out of six deer succumbed to BSE when challenged by intracerebral routes but only one of six deer challenged by the oral route succumbed to infection. Deer killed at 190 days or 365 days post oral challenge showed no evidence of abnormal PrP accumulation when tested by immunocytochemistry. The PrP gene of red deer includes a Q to E polymorphism at codon 226. The table shows the distribution of these codon 226 polymorphisms within experimental challenge groups.
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http://www.foodbase.org.uk//admintoo..._full_text.pdf
Research article Open Access
Immunohistochemical and biochemical characteristics of BSE and CWD in experimentally infected European red deer (Cervus elaphus elaphus)
Stuart Martin*1, Martin Jeffrey1, Lorenzo González1, Sílvia Sisó1, Hugh W Reid2, Philip Steele2, Mark P Dagleish2, Michael J Stack3, Melanie J Chaplin3 and Aru Balachandran4 Address: 1Veterinary Laboratories Agency (VLA-Lasswade), Pentlands Science Park, Bush Loan, Penicuik, Midlothian, EH26 0PZ, UK, 2Moredun Research Institute, Pentlands Science Park, Bush Loan, Penicuik, Midlothian, EH26 0PZ, UK, 3VLA-Weybridge, Addlestone, Surrey, KT15 3NB, UK and 4Animal Diseases Research Institute, Canadian Food Inspection Agency, Ottawa, Ontario, K2H 8P9, Canada
Abstract
Background: The cause of the bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) epidemic in the United Kingdom (UK) was the inclusion of contaminated meat and bone meal in the protein rations fed to cattle. Those rations were not restricted to cattle but were also fed to other livestock including farmed and free living deer. Although there are no reported cases to date of natural BSE in European deer, BSE has been shown to be naturally or experimentally transmissible to a wide range of different ungulate species. Moreover, several species of North America's cervids are highly susceptible to chronic wasting disease (CWD), a transmissible spongiform encephalopathy (TSE) that has become endemic. Should BSE infection have been introduced into the UK deer population, the CWD precedent could suggest that there is a danger for spread and maintenance of the disease in both free living and captive UK deer populations. This study compares the immunohistochemical and biochemical characteristics of BSE and CWD in experimentally-infected European red deer (Cervus elpahus elaphus).
Results: After intracerebral or alimentary challenge, BSE in red deer more closely resembled natural infection in cattle rather than experimental BSE in small ruminants, due to the lack of accumulation of abnormal PrP in lymphoid tissues. In this respect it was different from CWD, and although the neuropathological features of both diseases were similar, BSE could be clearly differentiated from CWD by immunohistochemical and Western blotting methods currently in routine use.
Conclusion: Red deer are susceptible to both BSE and CWD infection, but the resulting disease phenotypes are distinct and clearly distinguishable.
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Results
Clinical disease
All six deer challenged i.c. with BSE developed clinical disease between 794 and 1260 days post-inoculation with a mean incubation period of 1027 days. A detailed description of the clinical signs was provided in an earlier report [8]. Briefly, affected deer showed variable degrees of ataxia, anorexia, circling and apparent blindness, together with failure of seasonal change of coat, weight loss and 'panic attacks'. In addition, one of six red deer orally dosed with BSE developed clinical disease 1740 days after challenge, and this animal presented with a short clinical duration of two days; the other five deer from this group remain healthy at the time of writing (65 months after challenge). Sequential rectal biopsies taken at five different time points from orally and i.c. inoculated deer were negative for PrPd.
All four deer orally challenged with CWD started to show behavioural changes between 577 and 586 days post challenge;
these progressed to definite neurological disease between 742 and 760 days post-challenge (Table 1).
Clinical signs were similar to the BSE challenged deer and included nervousness, weight loss, excessive salivation, roughness of coat, and progressive ataxia. All these CWD inoculated deer showed PrPd accumulation in the secondary follicles of rectal biopsies taken at 7 months post infection.
Conclusion
European red deer are susceptible to infection with the cattle BSE agent, not only by the intra-cerebral but also by the oral route, and although the clinical signs and spong- iform change are similar to those of CWD in the same species, these two infections can be easily differentiated. The lack of lymphoid involvement, the PrPd truncation pattern both "in vivo" and "in vitro", and the predominantly intracellular accumulation of PrPd are features of deer BSE that are in contrast with those of deer CWD. However, only one of six deer developed disease after alimentary exposure to 25 g of a BSE brain pool homogenate after an incubation period of nearly 5 years; this suggests a strong species barrier but if a TSE in European red deer should ever be identified then BSE/CWD discrimination would be an urgent priority. To determine whether there are potential naturally occurring BSE-like strains and to determine the degree to which there is strain variation, it would be necessary to examine many more naturally occurring CWD cases. These results will support the ongoing European surveillance for natural TSEs in red deer and the further assessment of potential risk to human health.
Published: 27 July 2009 BMC Veterinary Research 2009, 5:26 doi:10.1186/1746-6148-5-26 Received: 12 February 2009 Accepted: 27 July 2009 This article is available from: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1746-6148/5/26 © 2009 Martin et al; licensee BioMed Central Ltd. This is an Open Access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0), which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...-6148-5-26.pdf
Monday, May 05, 2014
*** Member Country details for listing OIE CWD 2013 against the criteria of Article 1.2.2., the Code Commission recommends consideration for listing ***
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...sting-oie.html
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Friday, December 14, 2012
DEFRA U.K. What is the risk of Chronic Wasting Disease CWD being introduced into Great Britain? A Qualitative Risk Assessment October 2012
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In the USA, under the Food and Drug Administration’s BSE Feed Regulation (21 CFR 589.2000) most material (exceptions include milk, tallow, and gelatin) from deer and elk is prohibited for use in feed for ruminant animals. With regards to feed for non-ruminant animals, under FDA law, CWD positive deer may not be used for any animal feed or feed ingredients. For elk and deer considered at high risk for CWD, the FDA recommends that these animals do not enter the animal feed system. However, this recommendation is guidance and not a requirement by law.
Animals considered at high risk for CWD include:
1) animals from areas declared to be endemic for CWD and/or to be CWD eradication zones and
2) deer and elk that at some time during the 60-month period prior to slaughter were in a captive herd that contained a CWD-positive animal.
Therefore, in the USA, materials from cervids other than CWD positive animals may be used in animal feed and feed ingredients for non-ruminants.
The amount of animal PAP that is of deer and/or elk origin imported from the USA to GB can not be determined, however, as it is not specified in TRACES. It may constitute a small percentage of the 8412 kilos of non-fish origin processed animal proteins that were imported from US into GB in 2011.
*** Overall, therefore, it is considered there is a __greater than negligible risk___ that (nonruminant) animal feed and pet food containing deer and/or elk protein is imported into GB.
There is uncertainty associated with this estimate given the lack of data on the amount of deer and/or elk protein possibly being imported in these products.
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http://www.defra.gov.uk/animal-disea...ase-121029.pdf
2003D-0186 Guidance for Industry: Use of Material From Deer and Elk In Animal Feed
EMC 1 Terry S. Singeltary Sr. Vol #: 1
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dai...903/060903.htm
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dai...501/101501.htm
see my full text submission here ;
http://madcowfeed.blogspot.com/2008/...ues-draft.html
Sunday, December 15, 2013
*** FDA PART 589 -- SUBSTANCES PROHIBITED FROM USE IN ANIMAL FOOD OR FEED VIOLATIONS OFFICIAL ACTION INDICATED OIA UPDATE DECEMBER 2013 UPDATE
http://madcowusda.blogspot.com/2013/...ited-from.html
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please see full text and more ;
Wednesday, September 17, 2014
*** Cervid Health Business Plan Fiscal Years 2014 to 2018 Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service Veterinary Services ***
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...an-fiscal.html
Wednesday, September 17, 2014
*** Cost benefit analysis of the development and use of ante-mortem tests for transmissible spongiform encephalopathies ***
http://transmissiblespongiformenceph...velopment.html
kind regards, terry
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c. Funding sources
Cervid Health Programs are funded through the equine, cervid, small ruminant health (ECSR) line. The total APHIS FY 2014 ECSR budget is $19. 5 million. Congressional language accompanying the FY 2014 appropriations specifies that APHIS should spend $3. 0 million for cervid health activities.
III. Value of Program Objectives:
In 2007, the cervid industry in the United States included 5,600 deer farms and 1,900 elk farms with an economic value of $894 million that supported nearly 30,000 jobs. The recently conducted 2012 National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS) census will provide important updates on cervid industry statistics.
The Cervid Health Program protects the health of cervids and improves the quality, productivity and economic viability of the cervid industry. CWD, TB, and brucellosis remain important disease threats to cervid populations. Outbreaks of these diseases could have serious consequences for the cervid industry and allied stakeholders. APHIS’ CWD HCP, cervid TB herd accreditation, and proposed brucellosis herd certification programs are essential to reducing and mitigating those consequences.
A key value of the cervid health programs is to reduce losses to the cervid industry and to reduce the overall cost to the Federal government to respond to outbreaks. In the past 10 years, many CWD infected and exposed cervid farms were depopulated with Federal indemnity at a significant cost to the industry, States, and Federal government. The cervid TB herd accreditation program has reduced disease transmission in cervid populations and in other domestic species that could have resulted in larger and more serious disease outbreaks.
An additional value of the cervid health program is to promote and facilitate domestic and international trade of animals and cervid-derived products. Since the identification of CWD, many international markets have refused farmed cervids or cervid-derived products from the United States. The U.S. cervid industry cannot expand its markets without USDA animal health programs to certify their animals to have low disease risk and/or disease freedom. The Cervid Health Program promotes the opportunity for the cervid industry to start competing in international trade again.
Lastly, TB and brucellosis are zoonotic diseases which can be transmitted from farmed cervids to other livestock, wildlife, and people. Although CWD has not been recognized as a prion disease transmissible to people, it can be transmitted between farmed cervids to wild cervid populations and it persists in the environment. A direct benefit of the Cervid Health Program is to safeguard public health, prevent transmission at the domestic animal-wildlife interface, and reduce environmental contamination.
IV. FY 2014 – FY 2018 Implementation
Objective 1: Prevent and control CWD in farmed cervid populations
Strategy 1: Implement CWD rule and CWD Program Standards.
FY 2014 Activities:
1. 1 Affirm CWD final rule and publish in FY 2014.
1. 2 Finalize CWD Program Standards revision (consider public comments) and publish new version in FY 2014.
1. 3 Prepare and submit information collection documents for renewal by FY 2015.
FY 2015- FY 2018 Activities
1. 4 CWD Program Standards (2nd edition) to be reviewed for further updates.
1. 5 Information collection renewal to be completed in FY 2015 (triennial cycle).
Strategy 2: Maintain Approved State CWD HCPs.
FY 2014 Activities:
2. 1 Finalize annual report template and guidance for Approved States renewal process, and collect annual reports from Approved States.
2. 2 Complete Approved State status for remaining six Provisional Approved States.
FY 2015 – FY 2018 Activities
2. 3 Review annual reports and evaluate compliance of Approved States.
2. 4 Administer the national CWD HCP, subject to the availability of appropriated funds, for herd owners in States that do not have an approved State HCP.
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2. 5 Develop metrics for Approved State program administration reviews.
2. 6 Conduct Consistent State Reviews of Approved State CWD HCPs based on requests for review by States or observation of deficiencies in State programs.
Strategy 4: Complete official CWD, cervid TB, and cervid brucellosis testing.
FY 2014 Activities:
4. 1 Monitor NAHLN approved laboratories for proficiency and accuracy in lab testing and reporting in defined timeframes.
4. 2 Establish list of approved laboratories to conduct IHC and/or ELISA testing for CWD.
4. 3 Approve new laboratories as needed as outlined in the NAHLN SOP and CWD Program Standards.
FY 2015 – FY 2018 Activities
4.4 Continue activities 4. 1 – 4. 3.
Strategy 5: National Program Reporting/ Data Management.
FY 2014 Activities:
5. 1 Develop and implement cervid health indemnity database on indemnity SharePoint site.
5. 2 Assess use of SCS/national CWD instance by Approved States.
5. 3 Develop SCS data entry guidance for national CWD instance (if warranted).
5. 4 Prepare national annual summary report from Approved States’ reports.
5. 5 Receive quarterly tallies of CWD testing surveillance in farmed cervids and prepare annual summary surveillance report.
5. 6 Encourage VS personnel and stakeholders regarding the use of electronic identification of animals, electronic data collection and reporting, e. g. MIMS, of program surveillance and disease control activities, collection and use of data and test results from outside sources. Tools that support this type of data handling also need to be improved so the process is streamlined, easily accessible and user friendly to VS employees, States and Federally accredited veterinarians.
FY 2015 – FY 2018 Activities
5. 6 Continue activities 5. 1 – 5. 5 (with or without SCS/national CWD instance). Strategy 6: Interstate and International Cervid Movement.
FY 2014 Activities:
6. 1 Address import/export issues for cervids and cervid products.
6. 2 Facilitate requests for interstate movement (translocation) of free-ranging cervids based on CWD rule requirements. Refine interstate movement agreement protocols as needed. Complete guidance.
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FY 2015 – FY 2018 Activities:
6. 3 Continue work on import/export issues.
6. 4 Continue facilitation of requests for interstate movement (translocation) of wild cervids.
6. 5 Develop risk assessment and surveillance templates for interstate movement of cervids.
June 19, 2014
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_hea...lan_cervid.pdf
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*** Susceptibility of UK red deer (Cervus alaphus elaphus) to oral BSE transmission Project Code: M03024 ***
02/08/2011
The project confirmed that U.K red deer are susceptible to both oral and intra-cerebral inoculation with the cattle BSE agent. Six clinically positive (from 26-42 months post inoculation) i.c inoculated and one (56 months post inoculation) orally dosed deer that tested positive for TSE by immunohistochemistry and Western blotting using several primary antibodies demonstrated widespread accumulation of disease specific prion protein in the central nervous system, peripheral nervous system and enteric nervous system but none in lymphoreticular system. All showed several brain sites positive for disease specific prion protein and presented immunohistochemistry and Western blotting phenotypes with similarities to BSE in sheep, goats and cattle but unlike those seen in chronic wasting disease (CWD) in elk or scrapie in sheep. The vacuolar pathology and distribution of disease specific prion protein in red deer resembled that of CWD in most major respects however we have shown that BSE can be clearly differentiated from CWD by existing immunohistochemical and biochemical methods that are in routine use.
The knowledge gained as a result of this work will permit rapid and accurate diagnosis should a TSE ever be detected in European red deer and will also enable effective disease control methods to be quickly put in place.
http://www.foodbase.org.uk/results.php?f_report_id=718
Results
We confirmed that U.K red deer are susceptible to both oral and intra-cerebral inoculation with the cattle BSE agent. Six clinically positive (from 26-42mpi) i.c inoculated and one (56mpi) orally dosed deer that tested positive for TSE by IHC and WB using several primary antibodies demonstrated widespread accumulation of disease specific PrP in CNS, PNS and ENS but none in LRS. All showed several brain sites positive for disease specific PrP and presented IHC and WB phenotypes with similarities to BSE in sheep, goats and cattle but unlike those seen in CWD in elk or scrapie in sheep. The vacuolar pathology and distribution of PrPd BSE in red deer resembled that of CWD in most major respects however we have shown that BSE can be clearly differentiated from CWD by existing immunohistochemical and biochemical methods that are in routine use.
Final technical report MO3024 01/04/2003 – 31/03/2010 Susceptibility of UK red deer (Cervus elaphus elaphus) to oral BSE transmission. Stuart Martin - VLA Lasswade Pentlands Science Park Bush Loan Penicuik EH26 0PZ Page 2 of 21 Further work undertaken August 2009 – March 2010. Genetic analysis - Wilfred Goldmann; Roslin NPD.
Negative controls and the remaining 5 orally dosed deer culled at 72mpi tested negative by IHC and Western blot however analysis of the PrP ORF of these deer (kindly carried out by Wilfred Goldmann of the Roslin NPD) identified a Q to E polymorphism at codon 226 that may influence the efficiency of oral transmission (not published).
In the experimental BSE challenge of red deer six out of six deer succumbed to BSE when challenged by intracerebral routes but only one of six deer challenged by the oral route succumbed to infection. Deer killed at 190 days or 365 days post oral challenge showed no evidence of abnormal PrP accumulation when tested by immunocytochemistry. The PrP gene of red deer includes a Q to E polymorphism at codon 226. The table shows the distribution of these codon 226 polymorphisms within experimental challenge groups.
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http://www.foodbase.org.uk//admintoo..._full_text.pdf
Research article Open Access
Immunohistochemical and biochemical characteristics of BSE and CWD in experimentally infected European red deer (Cervus elaphus elaphus)
Stuart Martin*1, Martin Jeffrey1, Lorenzo González1, Sílvia Sisó1, Hugh W Reid2, Philip Steele2, Mark P Dagleish2, Michael J Stack3, Melanie J Chaplin3 and Aru Balachandran4 Address: 1Veterinary Laboratories Agency (VLA-Lasswade), Pentlands Science Park, Bush Loan, Penicuik, Midlothian, EH26 0PZ, UK, 2Moredun Research Institute, Pentlands Science Park, Bush Loan, Penicuik, Midlothian, EH26 0PZ, UK, 3VLA-Weybridge, Addlestone, Surrey, KT15 3NB, UK and 4Animal Diseases Research Institute, Canadian Food Inspection Agency, Ottawa, Ontario, K2H 8P9, Canada
Abstract
Background: The cause of the bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) epidemic in the United Kingdom (UK) was the inclusion of contaminated meat and bone meal in the protein rations fed to cattle. Those rations were not restricted to cattle but were also fed to other livestock including farmed and free living deer. Although there are no reported cases to date of natural BSE in European deer, BSE has been shown to be naturally or experimentally transmissible to a wide range of different ungulate species. Moreover, several species of North America's cervids are highly susceptible to chronic wasting disease (CWD), a transmissible spongiform encephalopathy (TSE) that has become endemic. Should BSE infection have been introduced into the UK deer population, the CWD precedent could suggest that there is a danger for spread and maintenance of the disease in both free living and captive UK deer populations. This study compares the immunohistochemical and biochemical characteristics of BSE and CWD in experimentally-infected European red deer (Cervus elpahus elaphus).
Results: After intracerebral or alimentary challenge, BSE in red deer more closely resembled natural infection in cattle rather than experimental BSE in small ruminants, due to the lack of accumulation of abnormal PrP in lymphoid tissues. In this respect it was different from CWD, and although the neuropathological features of both diseases were similar, BSE could be clearly differentiated from CWD by immunohistochemical and Western blotting methods currently in routine use.
Conclusion: Red deer are susceptible to both BSE and CWD infection, but the resulting disease phenotypes are distinct and clearly distinguishable.
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Results
Clinical disease
All six deer challenged i.c. with BSE developed clinical disease between 794 and 1260 days post-inoculation with a mean incubation period of 1027 days. A detailed description of the clinical signs was provided in an earlier report [8]. Briefly, affected deer showed variable degrees of ataxia, anorexia, circling and apparent blindness, together with failure of seasonal change of coat, weight loss and 'panic attacks'. In addition, one of six red deer orally dosed with BSE developed clinical disease 1740 days after challenge, and this animal presented with a short clinical duration of two days; the other five deer from this group remain healthy at the time of writing (65 months after challenge). Sequential rectal biopsies taken at five different time points from orally and i.c. inoculated deer were negative for PrPd.
All four deer orally challenged with CWD started to show behavioural changes between 577 and 586 days post challenge;
these progressed to definite neurological disease between 742 and 760 days post-challenge (Table 1).
Clinical signs were similar to the BSE challenged deer and included nervousness, weight loss, excessive salivation, roughness of coat, and progressive ataxia. All these CWD inoculated deer showed PrPd accumulation in the secondary follicles of rectal biopsies taken at 7 months post infection.
Conclusion
European red deer are susceptible to infection with the cattle BSE agent, not only by the intra-cerebral but also by the oral route, and although the clinical signs and spong- iform change are similar to those of CWD in the same species, these two infections can be easily differentiated. The lack of lymphoid involvement, the PrPd truncation pattern both "in vivo" and "in vitro", and the predominantly intracellular accumulation of PrPd are features of deer BSE that are in contrast with those of deer CWD. However, only one of six deer developed disease after alimentary exposure to 25 g of a BSE brain pool homogenate after an incubation period of nearly 5 years; this suggests a strong species barrier but if a TSE in European red deer should ever be identified then BSE/CWD discrimination would be an urgent priority. To determine whether there are potential naturally occurring BSE-like strains and to determine the degree to which there is strain variation, it would be necessary to examine many more naturally occurring CWD cases. These results will support the ongoing European surveillance for natural TSEs in red deer and the further assessment of potential risk to human health.
Published: 27 July 2009 BMC Veterinary Research 2009, 5:26 doi:10.1186/1746-6148-5-26 Received: 12 February 2009 Accepted: 27 July 2009 This article is available from: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1746-6148/5/26 © 2009 Martin et al; licensee BioMed Central Ltd. This is an Open Access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0), which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...-6148-5-26.pdf
Monday, May 05, 2014
*** Member Country details for listing OIE CWD 2013 against the criteria of Article 1.2.2., the Code Commission recommends consideration for listing ***
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...sting-oie.html
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Friday, December 14, 2012
DEFRA U.K. What is the risk of Chronic Wasting Disease CWD being introduced into Great Britain? A Qualitative Risk Assessment October 2012
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In the USA, under the Food and Drug Administration’s BSE Feed Regulation (21 CFR 589.2000) most material (exceptions include milk, tallow, and gelatin) from deer and elk is prohibited for use in feed for ruminant animals. With regards to feed for non-ruminant animals, under FDA law, CWD positive deer may not be used for any animal feed or feed ingredients. For elk and deer considered at high risk for CWD, the FDA recommends that these animals do not enter the animal feed system. However, this recommendation is guidance and not a requirement by law.
Animals considered at high risk for CWD include:
1) animals from areas declared to be endemic for CWD and/or to be CWD eradication zones and
2) deer and elk that at some time during the 60-month period prior to slaughter were in a captive herd that contained a CWD-positive animal.
Therefore, in the USA, materials from cervids other than CWD positive animals may be used in animal feed and feed ingredients for non-ruminants.
The amount of animal PAP that is of deer and/or elk origin imported from the USA to GB can not be determined, however, as it is not specified in TRACES. It may constitute a small percentage of the 8412 kilos of non-fish origin processed animal proteins that were imported from US into GB in 2011.
*** Overall, therefore, it is considered there is a __greater than negligible risk___ that (nonruminant) animal feed and pet food containing deer and/or elk protein is imported into GB.
There is uncertainty associated with this estimate given the lack of data on the amount of deer and/or elk protein possibly being imported in these products.
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http://www.defra.gov.uk/animal-disea...ase-121029.pdf
2003D-0186 Guidance for Industry: Use of Material From Deer and Elk In Animal Feed
EMC 1 Terry S. Singeltary Sr. Vol #: 1
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dai...903/060903.htm
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dai...501/101501.htm
see my full text submission here ;
http://madcowfeed.blogspot.com/2008/...ues-draft.html
Sunday, December 15, 2013
*** FDA PART 589 -- SUBSTANCES PROHIBITED FROM USE IN ANIMAL FOOD OR FEED VIOLATIONS OFFICIAL ACTION INDICATED OIA UPDATE DECEMBER 2013 UPDATE
http://madcowusda.blogspot.com/2013/...ited-from.html
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please see full text and more ;
Wednesday, September 17, 2014
*** Cervid Health Business Plan Fiscal Years 2014 to 2018 Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service Veterinary Services ***
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...an-fiscal.html
Wednesday, September 17, 2014
*** Cost benefit analysis of the development and use of ante-mortem tests for transmissible spongiform encephalopathies ***
http://transmissiblespongiformenceph...velopment.html
kind regards, terry
Cervid Health Business Plan Fiscal Years 2014 to 2018 APHIS
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